feedback-WWIII alt hist story

I need feedback for my months long project for a WWIII scenario. Here is what I've written so far thanks to research/notes I've made. The plot is Japan is partitioned, and WWIII begins in May of 1946. It will cover both Europe and the Pacific theaters of war. I have done meticulous research for this spanning many months, and have more research yet to do, as I don't think it will ever be complete, I will simply keep on layering it. I even plan, ambitiously, to extent it into the Cold War following WWIII.





Part One: Operation Downfall


Y-Day: The Invasion of Honshu


Tokyo had fallen, yet still the Japanese forces refused to surrender. No matter how far north Allied forces had pushed them, they just kept on fighting till they got cornered in Niigata, between the Soviet forces to their north and American forces to their south. To compound matters for the Allied forces, the same divine winds, or typhoons, that had utterly wrecked the Mongol invasion fleet, first in 1274 and then again in 1281, had occurred once more on the day of the invasion. Most of the main invasion force, consisting of the First and Eighth armies respectively, were quickly annihilated before they even hit dry land.


The few remaining soldiers that did make it ashore found themselves outgunned and fighting not to hold the beachhead, but simply to preserve their lives. Ultimately, they prevailed and the Japanese defensive garrisons were forced off of the beaches. However, it would take sometime before reinforcements, pooled in from the reserve units, could be sent to their positions due to the typhoon. When they did finally arrive however, what remained of the First and Eighth armies were pitiful.


Forced to advance inwards as a result of the bad weather, The First army's III Amphibious Corps was without a doubt shattered as a result of trying to hold down the beach, while XXIV Corps, which consisted of the main force which further was made up of the 7th, 27th, and 96th Infantry Divisions, was left in a similar shape as the marines that came before them. The Eighth army was in no better shape as the First army, but was fortunate to have landed further away from the typhoon storm, thus avoiding heavy casualties that no doubt would have resulted.


The ensuing slog from Tokyo to Niigata however would be far worse then the barely salvaged beach landings. What remained of the Japanese forces after their retreat from Tokyo, which in itself was not much to look at anymore, was more then expected. They fought in every inch of every village and town north of Tokyo. And when the First General Army was reduced to that of only a few thousand men, their was always dirty guerrilla war tactics to turn to. Booby traps, suicidal kamikaze charges, grenade detonation by surrendered troops soon turned into the name of the game.


But the Americans an to a lesser extent the Soviets were not about to give up just yet. The leaders of all nations present in the invasion knew the cost of simply abandoning Japan and signing a white peace was simply too high. The American public was already war weary from the war in Europe, and was becoming less and less likely to want to continue the fight. The military planners involved in Y-day simply had too much to lose from an early peace agreement, and so the decision was made to continue the hellish advance to Niigata.


The actual city of Niigata, as well as the surrounding region that made up the province of the same name, was like the rest of Japan rapidly militarized in preparation for the invasion of the home islands. What little remained of the Japanese First General Army, led by General Masamitsu Kawabe, was at this point reduced to waging small scale guerrilla attacks, designed to hamper their enemies' advance. Indeed, it would take several weeks to even get close to the city of Niigata, whose population prior to the war had been evacuated due to threat of atomic bombardment, but who now were tasked with its defense.


Fanaticalized by years of endured propaganda, the citizens of Niigata were wiling to sacrifice their lives for the Emperor, which unbeknownst to them he had been sacked by Japan's military rulers and held prisoner in Kyoto till the end of the war. The now few remaining forces of the First General Army had no intention of simply surrendering, when they could instead die a glorious death in the name of defending the Empire. They also had no intention of sparing the Civilian population, and so the decision was made to arm them with their remaining surplus weapons.


The battle for Niigata had begun.


Surrounded from both the north and the south, their was little hope of actually winning the battle. Even if the city's defenders could break through the blockade that was set up around the city, they'd be cut down by American air power as well as reserve forces in the rear of either the Soviet or American main force. And so the decision was sent out to fight to each and every citizen, read reluctantly by hapless soldiers, that their would be no surrender. The last ones standing after the city's expected fall were supposed to commit suicide in the face of the enemy, rather then surrender. General Masamitsu Kawabe was also prepared to sacrifice himself for the Empire, allegedly telling the soldiers under his command that he would “be at the front of the barricades” when the white devils came at the defenders.


And come they did. Soviet and American, both wary of fighting the Jap, found that storming the barricades would be easier said then done. General Masamitsu Kawabe stuck to his word, fighting ferociously until a Soviet bullet to the head claimed his life. Quickly and without warning the chain of command broke down in the absence of General Kawabe, as was common in the Imperial Japanese Army, especially during the battle of Okinawa.


For the Japanese defender, it was no longer practical or desirable to defend the city of Niigata. The enemy was simply too numerous and the lack of a real command hampered defensive operations. The defense of the city essentially had degenerated into a downhill fight for survival. Every man for himself. The few brave attempts by lower ranking officers to reestablish a sense of unity in the rapidly diminishing ranks rapidly ended in failure, and it was not long before the remaining defenders, civilian and military, were pushed deep into the center of the city.


A massacre soon followed. Calls were given out by surrounding American and Soviet troops to surrender. If anyone could understand Russian or English in the city, no one was willing to heed the surrender call. By this point, the Japanese First General Army had been whittled down to a few hundred troops, and the civilian irregulars were undisciplined, yet eager to die. Attempts by several soldiers and civilians to surrender ended in their slaughter by Japanese troops. When they realized that surrender was not an option, the Americans and Soviets proceeded to assault the Japanese forces en mass.


After an inglorious slaughter, the city of Niigata had fallen. By April of 1946 the last of the Japanese defenders had been subdued, and a partition of Japan soon followed. The southern and central halves were ceded to the Allies, while the northern halve, consisting of northern Honshu and Hokkaido, which had fallen prior to Operation Downfall's commencement, was ceded to the Soviets.


But not soon after the end of WWII in 1946, a new war was brewing. Border skirmishes were common in both partitioned Germany as well as partitioned Japan. Yet no one expected these small scale skirmishes to lead to a third World War. But it did, in May of 1946. This war would be even more terrible then the last, fought with a combination of land, sea, and air power, as well as nuclear weapons That would further devastate an already battered Japan and Europe. It would be the war to end all wars.
 
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uh thanks for the feedback. Please, I need real feedback. Forget the ASB scenario-is it well written? interesting? will you look forward to a future finished installment? I've spend MONTHS working on this, so I need more then-ITS ASB. :)
 
yes i know that. If I exclude that error in my judgement, what do you think about my attempts at the story. is it well written, interesting, will you look forward to more? It will be very detailed with a hell of a lot of research(I know my shit). The typhoon was mainly for dramatic effect. Stop being a know it all prick. Tell me what you think.
 
yes i know that. If I exclude that error in my judgement, what do you think about my attempts at the story. is it well written, interesting, will you look forward to more? It will be very detailed with a hell of a lot of research(I know my shit). The typhoon was mainly for dramatic effect. Stop being a know it all prick. Tell me what you think.

Calm down. There's no need to throw insults around, just because they haven't commented to your satisfaction. Many threads that have been started, be they a TL, or a discussion, die a quick and anonymous death.
 
uh thanks for the feedback. Please, I need real feedback. Forget the ASB scenario-is it well written? interesting? will you look forward to a future finished installment? I've spend MONTHS working on this, so I need more then-ITS ASB. :)

Why are the allies not nuking more Japanese cities prior to the invasion?

How come the Soviets are taking part in the invasion?

A little more background info would be nice?
 
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it was designed to be in brief. This is just a introduction to a larger story. You wont be disappointed when its all done. Yes, they do nuke the shit out of Japan, but silly me for not mentioning that.

The soviets invaded Hokkaido and then attempted to grab as much of northern Honshu as possible before the Allies did, much like the race for Berlin in Europe. Hokkaido fell months before Op. Downfall occured, so they have plenty of time to prepare for landings. :eek:

The wider war will encompass Germany, southern Korea, and north-central Japan. It will be written in a formal way, yet won't be dry.
 
it was designed to be in brief. This is just a introduction to a larger story. You wont be disappointed when its all done. Yes, they do nuke the shit out of Japan, but silly me for not mentioning that.

The soviets invaded Hokkaido and then attempted to grab as much of northern Honshu as possible before the Allies did, much like the race for Berlin in Europe. Hokkaido fell months before Op. Downfall occured, so they have plenty of time to prepare for landings. :eek:

The wider war will encompass Germany, southern Korea, and north-central Japan. It will be written in a formal way, yet won't be dry.

All right.....Looking forward to seeing the final version.
 
sarcasm much. here is the rewritten version.

Tokyo had fallen swiftly before the massive Allied invasion force, yet the Japanese First General Army, led by General Masamitsu Kawabe, refused to surrender against all odds. The men of the First General Army were wiling to die for the Empire, and so had no qualms with taking casualties. It seemed as if to the average American soldier that the kamikaze charges would never cease, that the invasion of Japan was rapidly turning into an unwinnable war.


This could not be far from the minds of the military planners behind Y-Day, or the invasion of Honshu. They knew that Japan's military strategy was designed to only buy enough time for a potential white peace to be signed, to preserve the honor of the Empire. Furthermore, the men involved in the planning were well aware of the sagging confidence in the war that all involved Allied nation's citizens had, for every day there seemed a new and more horrific story pouring in from Japan.


Stories of entire squads being decimated by Japanese soldiers pretending to be dead, only to detonate a grenade on their belt formed only half of the horror involved in the invasion. Cannibalism was also said to be commonplace amongst surviving Japanese troops, and it was not uncommon for American soldiers to find bones and even half eaten human flesh in places the Japanese army frequented.

As if the stubborn refusal of the Japanese First General Army to surrender was not already an insult, even more insulting was the willingness of the Japanese civilian to fight and die in the face of the enemy. Armed prior to the war, the bulk of the civilian population of Japan was expected to lay down their life for the Emperor, who unbeknownst to them had been sacked by the Japanese military rulers prior to the invasion. As a result, casualties for the civilian population would soon turn out to be in the millions, shocking a war weary Allied public.


When the First General Army could not fight a pitched, glorious battle against the Americans head on in a village or town, they could always turn to dirty guerrilla war tactics. Entire villages and towns were booby trapped, hit and run tactics became commonplace and soon expected by the Americans, and other such tactics soon became just another battle. Although the planners behind Y-Day had accounted for guerrilla warfare, they had never imagined it would be on such a large scale.


Eventually, the Japanese forces were cornered in Niigata, whose population had been evacuated due to threat of atomic bombing prior to the invasion, but now was tasked with their city's defense. What seemed like a quick grab of a ill prepared city would soon turn into the bloodiest battle of the whole invasion, costing countless American lives.


In the end, General Masamitsu Kawabe would take his own live with his sword, rather then be taken prisoner by the white devils, while almost the entire First General Army would be in ruinous condition, unfit to fight another day. And over half of the city's population would be dead, claimed more by suicide then bullets.


In the end Japan would be partitioned between the Soviets and Allies . Hokkaido and part of northern Honshu would go to the Soviets, while the rest of Japan would go to the Allies. It seemed as if war was finally over, never to return to the Earth.


But indeed, it did in May of 1946, after a series of repeated border skirmishes in Japan as well as Germany. The world was about to face another World War soon after the second World War's end, only more terrible then the last.
 

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yes i know that. If I exclude that error in my judgement, what do you think about my attempts at the story. is it well written, interesting, will you look forward to more? It will be very detailed with a hell of a lot of research(I know my shit). The typhoon was mainly for dramatic effect. Stop being a know it all prick. Tell me what you think.

Here's a suggestion...

Follow your own advice.

Actually... Make that an official warning.

Calbear in Mod Mode.
 
I have skimmed just to know the fate of Manhattan Project? Has the Allied drop the two bombs or something happened?
 

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I have no doubt that you have put a good deal of effort into this, however, even in this very short opening a number of glaring errors are present.

Third Sentence: Kamikaze charges. Factually incorrect. They were known as Banzai charges by the American forces. The tactic was the basic IJA assault method and well know and understood. American forces eventually grew to prefer the tactic to having to dig the IJA out of bunkers.

Paragraph 3, 1st sentence. Another tactic that was extremely well known, having been encountered initially on Guadalcanal. By 1945 not even newsworthy.

How would the Japanese acting EXACTLY accorded to Allied (especially American) expectations be an insult? The Allied fully expected the Japanese to fight to the last man. The planners for the invasion of Japan expected to have to clear every part of the Home Islands one rock at a time until the Emperor gave the surrender message or until the IJA took so many losses that even its elan was broken. The planners seriously expected to have to inflict a MILLION KIA on the Japanese to achieve that goal (which was why the Bomb was such an attractive option).

The military could not "sack" the Emperor. No way, no chance, no how. They could have done any of a number of things, but sacking him, or injuring him were not options. Even the attempted coup in the last hours before the broadcast of Hirohito's message was aimed at the recording and at the Emperor's advisors who had "betrayed" him.

How did the Soviets get to Honshu? Unlike Hokkaido, which was very poorly defended by late 1945, Honshu WAS defended.







sarcasm much. here is the rewritten version.

Tokyo had fallen swiftly before the massive Allied invasion force, yet the Japanese First General Army, led by General Masamitsu Kawabe, refused to surrender against all odds. The men of the First General Army were wiling to die for the Empire, and so had no qualms with taking casualties. It seemed as if to the average American soldier that the kamikaze charges would never cease, that the invasion of Japan was rapidly turning into an unwinnable war.


This could not be far from the minds of the military planners behind Y-Day, or the invasion of Honshu. They knew that Japan's military strategy was designed to only buy enough time for a potential white peace to be signed, to preserve the honor of the Empire. Furthermore, the men involved in the planning were well aware of the sagging confidence in the war that all involved Allied nation's citizens had, for every day there seemed a new and more horrific story pouring in from Japan.


Stories of entire squads being decimated by Japanese soldiers pretending to be dead, only to detonate a grenade on their belt formed only half of the horror involved in the invasion. Cannibalism was also said to be commonplace amongst surviving Japanese troops, and it was not uncommon for American soldiers to find bones and even half eaten human flesh in places the Japanese army frequented.

As if the stubborn refusal of the Japanese First General Army to surrender was not already an insult, even more insulting was the willingness of the Japanese civilian to fight and die in the face of the enemy. Armed prior to the war, the bulk of the civilian population of Japan was expected to lay down their life for the Emperor, who unbeknownst to them had been sacked by the Japanese military rulers prior to the invasion. As a result, casualties for the civilian population would soon turn out to be in the millions, shocking a war weary Allied public.


When the First General Army could not fight a pitched, glorious battle against the Americans head on in a village or town, they could always turn to dirty guerrilla war tactics. Entire villages and towns were booby trapped, hit and run tactics became commonplace and soon expected by the Americans, and other such tactics soon became just another battle. Although the planners behind Y-Day had accounted for guerrilla warfare, they had never imagined it would be on such a large scale.


Eventually, the Japanese forces were cornered in Niigata, whose population had been evacuated due to threat of atomic bombing prior to the invasion, but now was tasked with their city's defense. What seemed like a quick grab of a ill prepared city would soon turn into the bloodiest battle of the whole invasion, costing countless American lives.


In the end, General Masamitsu Kawabe would take his own live with his sword, rather then be taken prisoner by the white devils, while almost the entire First General Army would be in ruinous condition, unfit to fight another day. And over half of the city's population would be dead, claimed more by suicide then bullets.


In the end Japan would be partitioned between the Soviets and Allies . Hokkaido and part of northern Honshu would go to the Soviets, while the rest of Japan would go to the Allies. It seemed as if war was finally over, never to return to the Earth.


But indeed, it did in May of 1946, after a series of repeated border skirmishes in Japan as well as Germany. The world was about to face another World War soon after the second World War's end, only more terrible then the last.
 
thank you for the advice and corrections. I plan to have a very long, full length war scenario done. Yes I knew it was Banzai, stupid of me to write Kamikaze. I knew about the grenade detonations, but again it was there for dramatic appeal(not very dramatic eh?).

My bad the Soviets in no way could breach Honshu's strong defenses. I took that out in the rewritten version.

Anyways, I will put the complete version, which will span many pages, in the complete alt hist section sometime in the near future.
 
Well i liked it.

Don't pay too much attention to the depressing critics on the forum. They are really, really obsessed with facts. I've stopped daring my own stories here a long time ago because of the critics.

Its true though, you are talking about history and when you change history you better have done your homework. I'm not a historian but i do know quite a lot about WWII and its easy to screw it up when changing things about it(especially the end of it).

One change makes as nice alternate History story but a mistake turns it quickly into a ASB story to the viewing audience on this forum. Be warned.

But other then that i love reading up about WWIII stories. I'm sure to find it when you have posted it in the full and i won't be nitpicking it, i promise.
 

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thank you for the advice and corrections. I plan to have a very long, full length war scenario done. Yes I knew it was Banzai, stupid of me to write Kamikaze. I knew about the grenade detonations, but again it was there for dramatic appeal(not very dramatic eh?).

My bad the Soviets in no way could breach Honshu's strong defenses. I took that out in the rewritten version.

Anyways, I will put the complete version, which will span many pages, in the complete alt hist section sometime in the near future.

Please remember to post it with a link to a discussion thread in post-1900.
 
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