Feasibility of Grossdeutchland

Aghasverov

Aghasverov

Analytical Engine said:
France and Russia, after changing their underwear, would form an alliance against such a big Germany, and start courting allies. Italy, Romania and Serbia would all have reasons to want to take bits off the edges of Germany (which would still probably have the rest of the Habsburg empire in its orbit).
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What "rest of the Habsburg empire", in 1840's - 1860's? Or do you just mean the Transleithanian lands of what was then the Austrian Empire?
 
Aghasverov

Aghasverov

Aghasverov said:
OK, gotcha... wasn't thinking about the Austrian holdings in the N of Italy...
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Well, assuming that the Transleithania lands were split off roughly in the same way as the Ausgleich, that would leave Lombardy-Venetia as clearly Austrian, so they'd have to be incorporated into the Grossdeutchland scheme somehow... Maybe Austria could transfer them to the "central" government with more local autonomy, sort of how Alsace-Lorraine wasn't considered a possession of any particular German state, but a protectorate of the Empire as a whole?
 

cjc

I have zero idea as to why this north italy discoction is happening, if a Grossdeutchland is form in the mid 19th then that means the power of nationalism has won, which mean the north Italian people, which have already proven to prefer dominance by the sardinian ethnic state over the comparatively lighter austrean multi-nationist feudal state would never except a german ethnic state over them, end of discussion that has already grossly overreached this thread.
 

Analytical Engine

cjc said:
I have zero idea as to why this north italy discoction is happening, if a Grossdeutchland is form in the mid 19th then that means the power of nationalism has won, which mean the north Italian people, which have already proven to prefer dominance by the sardinian ethnic state over the comparatively lighter austrean multi-nationist feudal state would never except a german ethnic state over them, end of discussion that has already grossly overreached this thread.
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Depending on when and how it forms, Grossdeutchland is more than strong enough to stop the Italians from taking Lombardy or Venetia (delete as appropriate).

I don't understand why people insist that Grossdeutchland would automatically include the entire Habsburg empire within its borders. There are options that get around that. Jared's Decades of Darkness has Hungary, Croatia and Galicia (later Poland) basically become dominions.
 

sampleswift

Analytical Engine said:
Depending on when and how it forms, Grossdeutchland is more than strong enough to stop the Italians from taking Lombardy or Venetia (delete as appropriate).

I don't understand why people insist that Grossdeutchland would automatically include the entire Habsburg empire within its borders. There are options that get around that. Jared's Decades of Darkness has Hungary, Croatia and Galicia (later Poland) basically become dominions.
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My version does something like that as well. In my timeline, I had the other Habsburg domains being satellite puppet nations.
 

Nivek

Analytical Engine said:
don't understand why people insist that Grossdeutchland would automatically include the entire Habsburg empire within its borders. There are options that get around that. Jared's Decades of Darkness has Hungary, Croatia and Galicia (later Poland) basically become dominions.
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And Lombardo-venetia in that one ended up into germany proper, as dual speaking states(under the habsburg crown)
 
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