Feasibility of Grossdeutchland
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Again why not? His governor max would want it, some would like their rich ports and mine, there zero excuse and both habsburg and hohenzollern don't give a damn savoyard feelings
Too Italian and too Catholic. Also more challenging to defend without Switzerland being absorbed.
Is not that difficult, there railways and they can integrated easily with them, i don't see any excuses and austria hold them easily till much later too. Here a full fledge germany would be far easier too
I think there could be pride reasons for holding Milan and Venice, but having an abundance of Czechs would be bad enough, and the larger Grossdeutschland is, the more afoul of other powers it will run.
I don't think Lombardy and Venetia would be included in Grossdeutchland, but...
It's not like that can be reinforced through the Swiss Alps, and they already have the Brenner Pass.
Isn't that a good thing for a Habsburg Germany?
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It's not like that can be reinforced through the Swiss Alps, and they already have the Brenner Pass.
I think Milan and Venice will be included without too many problems in Grossdeutschland, as north Italy used to be part of the Holy Roman Empire (like Bohemia, Lorraine and Alsace) and Venice is an useful port to have as Germany’s only sea access is on Baltic (unless their are able to incorporate also Belgium/Netherland)
I hate this myth, france is busy in his own revolution and nappy iii is not that insane, russia don't care and britain the same, this is not hard evidence just a board myth so far.
Excatly, this would not be different the others so they're include because that
Likely both will be lost if Austria do not keep north italy
Triest again will not be held alone, without a Venice and the rest of Italy, and I do not remembered the exact coastline of Germany... Still ports in the South like Trieste and Venice (and Fiume) are useful but is unlikely who Austria can held either without the other so likely both (and the rich Lombardy who was part of the Empire) will be included in ATL Germany
We never specify that, is just united, how united..dunno, maybe the big four(Hohenzollern, Hasburg, Hannover and Witelsbach) organized?
Why not? OTL she held both for half a century after the loss of Venetia..
Nor, if the PoD is pre-1866, is it self-evident that Venetia itself would be lost
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Savoyard feelings might not be so important, but neither the Lombards nor the Venetians wanted to be German, they wanted to be Italian and their feelings would have to be taken into account. Keep also in mind that in 1848 / 1849 the Neo-Guelphs Cesare Balbo and Vincenzo Gioberti were prime minsters of Piedmont-Sardinia and their goal was an Italian unification as a federation of monarchies, with the pope as head of state. If the 1848 revolution is more successful in Germany, with either the King of Prussia or the Emperor of Austria willing to accept the crown from the gutter, it might be more successful in Italy as well, with the somewhat modified Neo-Guelph idea of an Italian Empire and the Hapsburgs could ask for a pound of flesh for accepting that the Kingdom of Lombardo-Venetia becomes part of Italy in the form that a Hapsburg, be it the Grandduke, likely to be raised to King of Tuscany or the King of Lombardo-Venetia becomes the first Italian Emperor.
The people of Alsace-Lorraine wanted to be French, but they had to wait till 1918 - and even then it took a major war to bring it about.[/QUOTE]