Favourite Extinct Medieval Kingdoms

Favourite Extinct Medieval/High Middle Ages Kingdom?

  • Aragon

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Bohemia

    Votes: 45 22.7%
  • Burgundy

    Votes: 92 46.5%
  • Naples

    Votes: 18 9.1%

  • Total voters
    198
my favourites

My favourites in order of preference: Note - I am sticking only to Europe, the Asian ones are very different, and I prefer not to compare the two.

1) Savoie (come on, does no one here love the little duchy that straddled the Alps?)

2) Republic of Venice - Would have loved to see them survive, reform and emerge as a modern state in north eastern Italy.

3) Bohemia - Funnily enough, the union of Bohemia and Moravia exists as the current Czech Republic, but it is not the same thing as the older version. Would have loved to see how the Hussite traditions would have continued, if they were not crushed by the HRE and then incorporated into the Habsburg dominions.

4) Brittany - would have liked to see a Celtic state on the Continent.

5) Scotland - The proud, hardy people of the highlands, with their tradition of resistance to every wannabe conqueror.

6) Bavaria - Should have been interesting if it had developed as a Catholic German counterweight to both Prussia and Austria.

7) Aragon - Just to see a different Spanish viewpoint (apart from the Castilian, I would have love to see an independent Aragon)

8) Burgundy - What would the reformation do to them, if they were not absorbed into the Habsburg behemoth? Would they be able to reconcile their differences?

And for the last two, these are more unlikely, but I would be interested in hearing people's opinions about it.

9) Kingdom of Leon - If it had not been united with Castile, would it have been very different (or any different, perhaps) from Castile itself?

10) A Grand union of Baltic Duchies, preferably still Pagan. Could it even have existed in face of Christian hostility? A grand union of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, old Prussia, Livonia and possibly even, a pagan Finland)? This is an idea I have long wanted to explore, but I don't have enough knowledge about it. Would welcome any ideas, even references about it.
 
What about Lowland Scots? Do they not count?
Were the highlands ever organized enough to be considered independent? I always just assumed they were rowdy and difficult to tax, but still maleable enough to be considered part of the same kingdom.
 
5) Scotland - The proud, hardy people of the highlands, with their tradition of resistance to every wannabe conqueror.

Not extinct, and still a kingdom. Even if they vote independence in the upcoming referendum, they'll still be a constitutional monarchy.
 
Not extinct, and still a kingdom. Even if they vote independence in the upcoming referendum, they'll still be a constitutional monarchy.

They are not independent. I meant extinct in that sense. In that way, i don't think the Savoyards, or the Bohemians, or the Venetians are extinct either. But they are not an independent country anymore (unless they vote for independence, in the referrendum).
 
What about Lowland Scots? Do they not count?

The image in my country tends to focus heavily on the Highland Scots, although the Lowland Scots are probably more numerous. In my country, the image of Scots fleeing to the Highlands and then resisting when the English invaded is very pervasive (although the image is probably an exaggeration).
 
It's uncanny how 1-7 on your list are pretty much happening ATM in my TL, though admittedly there is a long way to go before modern times.

I should read your timeline then. Just been too busy to read much on the board these days. I will get to it soon hopefully.
 

Cryostorm

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I vote Bohemia, always wondered what would have happened if the Premyslids had managed to hold onto Poland. A western oriented and centralized Bohemian-Poland would have major butterflies in Central and Eastern Europe.
 
Hhmm, well of the four options given the Crown of Aragon also owned the Kingdom of Naples so we get a nice two-fer for that. :) Plus along with owning Majorca, Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily be interesting to see what their continued independence would bring in the Mediterranean.
 
Burgundy, if only for the fact that it's Duke tried to impress the Holy Roman Emperor of his kingly potential by wearing a really big hat covered in jewels (true!)
 
Were the highlands ever organized enough to be considered independent? I always just assumed they were rowdy and difficult to tax, but still maleable enough to be considered part of the same kingdom.

How far back in time are you prepared to go? There were probably several contemporaneous Pictish kingdoms in the 4th-7th centuries. Also, the Attacotts may have had a separate kingdom somewhere in Scotland; there are so few references to them it's hard to reconstruct the true story.
 
How far back in time are you prepared to go? There were probably several contemporaneous Pictish kingdoms in the 4th-7th centuries. Also, the Attacotts may have had a separate kingdom somewhere in Scotland; there are so few references to them it's hard to reconstruct the true story.
Probably not farther than 900 A.D. (or C.E. or whatever), since that is one of the usual cut off points for the beginning of the middle ages and the end of the dark ages, although I do find the ancient Pictish kingdoms somewhat fascinating.
 
Scania, briefly a kingdom in personal union with Sweden in the 14th century. Later, unfortunately, it lost this status, once again becoming a mere province.
 
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