Favorite Third World dictators

Saddam was a fun nut ball.

Ah, the early 90's. Back when we thought a piss ant dictator who couldn't put up a successful war with Iran and invaded another dictatorship was the greatest threat to the free world. Simpler times.
 
Qaddafi.

He is the playboy dictator of the 3rd world, I mean an army of virgin female bodyguards? What a role-model for all third world dictators. If you have to be a corrupt ass why hide it?

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They look like they're dressed in SS Camo. :eek:
 
(1)Suharto of Indonesia. Took office by overthrowing his predecessor and slaughtered up to a million people in the process.(1) (2)Proceeded to treat his Chinese minority as an all purpose scapegoat and whipping dog with anti-chinese pogroms that stopped just short of a final solution.(2) (3)Multiple counts of Genocide in Borneo, East Timor and West Irian.(3) (4) Two counts of invading and occupying foreign territories for extended periods of time, still getting away with one.(4) (5) One of histories great Kleptocrats stealing and amassing an estimated 30 billion dollars.(5) (6)And everyone else in the world, Canada, the United States, everyone, just kept kissing his ass.(6)

(7)I mean, sure a guy like Pinochet was an ignorant murderous thug who murdered thousands of people, tortured tens of thousands more, whose soldiers poured gasoline on children and lit them on fire and who had women raped by dogs, who lined his own pockets while mismanaging his economy, who was so ignorant and out of touch that he finessed himself out of power with a mismanaged referendum, and spent the last years of his life pretending to be senile in order to avoid responsibility for his actions. I'm not taking away anything from the accomplishments of the Pinochets and Amins or the other deserving cockroaches.

But Suharto? He killed hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, he stole, raped, bullied, lied. And the world loved him for it. He's one of those guys who, when they die we have to build new deeper levels of hell, cause the old ones just aren't bad enough.(7)

1) And his coup wasn't an ordinary coup either. It was planned, step-by step, and neatly covered. Sukarno never got what really was happening during 1965-66 until all things were near the end for his political career...

Oh, and don't forget that Suharto basically reduced the freakin' largest non-governing Communist Party in the world, powered by no less than 17 million members(subordinate organizations included), into oblivion just in 3 years or so....

2) Not to mention, that the Chinese scape-goatings was done ACTUALLY for protecting his close Chinese friends..... At least according to some rumours....

3) None of these military-initiated killings were specifically targetting certain ethnic groups nor it was meant to ethnically cleansed in large scale. And it didn't happen in Kalimantan. Or do you mean Aceh ?

4) One. Suharto's Indonesia only attacked East Timor.

5) And he was not even of any type of luxury-lover(he even hated drinking, btw). His children though, were, and guess for whom he did some of all that.... :rolleyes:

6) His smile charmed, and also thrilled.... :cool:

7) I guess not only in national scale is he considered as both great hero and magnificent bastard then.....
 
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He's not exactly a dictator, but with the whole autocoup and the allegations of abuse of power and such, I suppose we could count Alberto Fujimori of Peru. The man saved the country from domestic terror, singlehandedly salvaged the economy, and overthrew a corrupt and bloated system of government (though some argued he was just as corrupt). In fact, even now, after his conviction of human rights abuses, two-thirds of Peruvians approve of his presidency. (Perhaps the US can take a page out of Peru's book and have Carter, Clinton, and Dubya imprisoned.)

If we are going to be sticklers on the definition of dictator, it has to be Pinochet.
 
I'd have to say Kim Jong Il. As one poster has said he's like the super-villain of Dictators. The man is so batshit insane it's become hilarious.
 
For an obviously lighthearted thread there sure are a lot of apologists for right-wing political murder!

Because you know, you don't have to deny what the dictator of your choice have done just to adore his brilliance.

Like brilliant things can't be nasty, really.... ;)

So, our gentlemen here aren't apologists, because they don't deny that many what their favorite dictators have done were wrong and amoral. But things that are wrong & amoral CAN be magnificent ! It's just not something to be taught to your children as part of righteousness....
 
Avalon1 in response to the question 'Favourite 3rd World Dictator' said:
Let us not forget Nelson Mandela.

IGNORED.

I think you're the first person I've placed on 'ignore' twice.

Kudos.
 
IGNORED.

I think you're the first person I've placed on 'ignore' twice.

Kudos.

no, i think you took it out of context. I meant Nelson Mandela's relationship with Suharto.

I should have made it clear. he post i quote was saying about suharto being fawned upon by so many people, i just thought it was appropriate that suharto should ahve been mentioned.
 
Zimbabwe Anyone?

How about genial Uncle Bob Mugabe (KCBE)?:) He surely counts as a third world dictator who's reduced Zim to ruins.

Maybe in a couple of years we could have Gordon Brown, who's doing to the UK what Bob's done to Zim.
 
I always thought Nguyen Van Thieu was somewhat OK. If SVN hadn't fallen he'd probably have been their Marcos. Or their Lee Kuan Yew. It could have been a Pakistan situation, where the Army is the spine, and civilians are the tailbone.
 
no, i think you took it out of context. I meant Nelson Mandela's relationship with Suharto.

I should have made it clear. he post i quote was saying about suharto being fawned upon by so many people, i just thought it was appropriate that suharto should ahve been mentioned.

During Suharto's days of glory, when he gives support to someone, it is a support to be reckoned with. Under him, Indonesia was one of anti-commie badasses and also a skilled mediator. You can speculate anything, but US did seem to favor him quite badly. He WAS a quietly(not a typo) international scale charismatic figure ! Vatican showed not very ordinary respect towards him, too....
 
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no, i think you took it out of context. I meant Nelson Mandela's relationship with Suharto.

I should have made it clear. he post i quote was saying about suharto being fawned upon by so many people, i just thought it was appropriate that suharto should ahve been mentioned.

Shit, I actually considered commenting on the relationship between Suharto and Paul Keating (the Indonesian used to enjoy watching Keating's parliamentary question times, or PM's questions).

But I didn't.

And if I had I wouldn't have phrased it so poorly that I gave the impression I consider an Australian ex-PM to be a 'third world dictator'.

Urrgh, this whole fucking thread is ill conceived. Way to go, OPer-who-must-post-five-new-threads-a-day.:mad:
 
Hey - How about Jean-Pierre Bokassa? Makes himself emperor of the "Central African Empire", builds St Peter size cathedral in the middle of nowhere, is rumored to indulge in cannibalism of his enemies & other fun stuff. manages to take a dirt poor country, enrich himself big time and leave it even worse than when he started.

Mel Brooks said it's good to be the king, this guy went one better & became emperor.
 
Oh, and don't forget that Suharto basically reduced the freakin' largest non-governing Communist Party in the world, powered by no less than 17 million members(subordinate organizations included), into oblivion just in 3 years or so....

By the simple expedient of murdering millions.

2) Not to mention, that the Chinese scape-goatings was done ACTUALLY for protecting his close Chinese friends..... At least according to some rumours....

As the American racists used to say "some of their closest friends were blacks."

4) One. Suharto's Indonesia only attacked East Timor.

And West Irian, the western half of New Guineau, which had never been historically or culturally a part of Indonesia.

5) And he was not even of any type of luxury-lover(he even hated drinking, btw). His children though, were, and guess for whom he did some of all that.... :rolleyes:

A lot of these crackpot despots claim to live lives of frugality. It's fashionable these days. Mao, Castro, Stalin, they all put it about that they lived in simple country cottages. Someone socks away 30 billion in stolen money... that's not simple tastes.

7) I guess not only in national scale is he considered as both great hero and magnificent bastard then.....

And yet, at the end of his rule, Indonesia remained mired in poverty, economically backwards, ruled by wealthy elites, drenched with oppression and murder.

In the end, he was no more than another tyrant. Another ignorant thug whose throne rested on a pyramid of human skulls and suffering. Damn him to hell, and damn all like him. Not one of them ever was worth it.
 
1) By the simple expedient of murdering millions.



2) As the American racists used to say "some of their closest friends were blacks."



3) And West Irian, the western half of New Guineau, which had never been historically or culturally a part of Indonesia.



4) A lot of these crackpot despots claim to live lives of frugality. It's fashionable these days. Mao, Castro, Stalin, they all put it about that they lived in simple country cottages. Someone socks away 30 billion in stolen money... that's not simple tastes.



5) And yet, at the end of his rule, Indonesia remained mired in poverty, economically backwards, ruled by wealthy elites, drenched with oppression and murder.

6) In the end, he was no more than another tyrant. Another ignorant thug whose throne rested on a pyramid of human skulls and suffering. Damn him to hell, and damn all like him. Not one of them ever was worth it.

1) ....that done only by provoking civilians to do it, in fact. That's the worst part.

2) Of course he was an assimilationist-chauvinist, granted. He was soo hard in enforcing a united Indonesian culture that he would even kick out millions of Javanese out of their island to spread Javanese cultural influence while eroding their proximity to Javanese language in one row.

3) By the time he's on the seat, West Papua was already under Indonesia, gained by mostly diplomatic means instead of military muscles.

4) Except that he actually WAS too modest for his standard, and many of Indonesian elitists (quietly)disliked him for his lack of class in taste....
His children were much more socialites, of course, and he spoiled them waaaaay too much.....

5) At the end of his rule, Indonesia was BANGED by Asian Financial Crisis. Had it not happened, Indonesia will remain Suhartoist by now.

Of course, he only took care of obidient subjects. He did just some sort of neglecting provinces that he considered as not obidient enough toward him. But generally under him, Indonesia was boringly peaceful and prospered. But yeah the economic was pretty backward for a state as strong as Indonesia (that time) because too much focuse on agrarian sector. He is to be blamed for not daring enough in industrializing Indonesia.

6) Thug ?

Ruthless nasty arrogant lying royalist sleazy fucking shit ? Yes. A thug ? No.

Only if Muhammad is proved to have a neural disorder and Jesus is proved to be gay, then Suharto's a thug.

Or if Nazi is allowed to consider Jews not human out of dislike, then the similar can be done to him.

Just because we don't like somebody doesn't mean we can label that somebody with something that doesn't fit. He was a peasant boy, but doesn't mean that he can't be possessing an exceptional charisma, no ? Try something more accurate like... oppressive murdering feudal bastard ?
 
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