Fate of USSR in a CP victorious world.

What I'm asking is what would the Germans and their allies do with the USSR after WW1? Would Germany attempt to assist the white forces once the Bolsheviks are no longer any use to them? would they let things run their course?
 
I expect there would be some level of support for the Whites much as happened with the Allies OTL, but how much support is the big question. That's probably going to be determined by how exhausted Germany and the other Central Powers are after winning WWI; if they're in a bad way there won't be much beyond shipping spare weapons and ammunition to the whites as their armies demobilize, if they're still in good condition there would be a larger intervention.

Also, unless things have changed enough to give Japan major losses in the war they're still probably going to make an attempt to seize some of Russia's far eastern territory.
 
If the CPs are too exhausted they won't do much besides shipping weapons. If the Soviet Union exists I assume this takes place after 1917 which means that Germany is too exhausted. I could see the Germans keeping the USSR around as a communist boogeyman to keep their eastern european vassals in line. When the USSR becomes to powerful or when Germany has recovered from WW1, the Germans will likely decide to rid themselves of the communist abomination
 
I think if the CP won WWI, they would probably ally with the Soviet Union. Lenin was brought back to Russia with help from Germany. The Soviet Russians pulled out of the war, and the Germans might assume they might eventually join the CP, and it would take at least another year after WWI really ended for a CP victory, so Russia might have joined the CP if the war waged for a long time, and probably a German-Soviet Alliance may form. Since Germany was friends with the Bolsheviks because of helping Lenin get back to Russia, they might ally with Germany to "Return the Favor". Then the CP probably would win
 
actually they only returned him to cause internal trouble in russia and lift the presure on germany and lenin knew it.

plus the leader of germany was a king, which communist are suppose to be opposed to.
 
actually they only returned him to cause internal trouble in russia and lift the presure on germany and lenin knew it.
Quite so; just because the Germans were willing to help Lenin doesn't mean that they liked him, just that they were willing to use him as a tool to accomplish their own goals.

If the Germans had known that Lenin was going to launch a successful Communist revolution and eliminate the Russian royal family they probably would have killed him themselves; the intention was just for him to cause trouble for the already teetering Provisional Government.
 
Once the war is over, Germany must demobilise. There's no way - for any government - to keep forces in the field to fight the communists. But they could, as they did in OTL, form voluntary formations out of those who still haven't had enough war. Freikorps to support the Whites.
If Germany is still an authoritarian monarchy, the communists are deadly enemies that need to be removed from the scene.
If Germany goes through a revolution after victory (not quite impossible), the new socialist/centrist government might take are more lenient stance towards the soviets.
 
I'm not exactly sure Commie regime would survive victorious CP. I see Germans meddling in Russian civil war much more decisively. First, because German colonial style was always more "proactive", so to speak, they did not hesitate to send their troops to deal with a threat directly if local proxies were failing. Second, because this (European part of Russian Empire) area is so much more important for CP than it was for Entente powers IOTL. Eastern Ukraine is far-off land for Britons, French, and their marionettes. However, it is next-door neighbour for CP's Mitteleuropa (add Galician-Ukrainian problem and things are starting to get even more exciting). So, Germans could just crush Sovet regime and replace it with something else (given sore lack of powerful political movement but Bolshevik in IOTL, it is most likely that this "something else" would be dismembered Russia, ruled by local cliques, a-la China of warlord era). This "something else" (married to propaganda campaign describing dangers of Russian Imperialism) would be enough to keep EE underlings of shining Mitteleuropa in check (Poles might be a problem, though).

Would USSR somehow survive CP's pressure (after all, don't underestimate allure of Bolshevik ideas and their drive to reunite the country), it could get pretty strong. IOTL industrial cooperation between USSR and Weimar Germany had been marred by technological gap (barely literate peasants, hastily trained as industrial workers, could not operate German machinery). ITTL France becomes USSR's natural ally, and French designed their solution with much less capable operators in mind (besides, both countries shared fondness for "unorthodox designs", aimed to overcome industrial superiority of their adversaries). Soviet industrialization, based on French support, could be no less successfull than IOTL (even taking into account that we're talking about rump USSR, basically Russian Federation of today plus Turkestan).
 
However, it is next-door neighbour for CP's Mitteleuropa (add Galician-Ukrainian problem and things are starting to get even more exciting). So, Germans could just crush Sovet regime and replace it with something else (given sore lack of powerful political movement but Bolshevik in IOTL, it is most likely that this "something else" would be dismembered Russia, ruled by local cliques, a-la China of warlord era). This "something else" (married to propaganda campaign describing dangers of Russian Imperialism) would be enough to keep EE underlings of shining Mitteleuropa in check (Poles might be a problem, though).

The problem is that the Germans are starving in the streets, and the German leadership had no problem collaborating (and praising!) the Soviet Union in the 1920s.

A lot of it was evilly paterna; sort of "finally, some one who treats the Slavs as they should be."
 
The problem is that the Germans are starving in the streets, and the German leadership had no problem collaborating (and praising!) the Soviet Union in the 1920s.
I don't understand your objection. Could you please clarify? My idea was that humiliated looser of WWI becomes natural Soviet ally. IOTL it was Germany. ITTL it would be France (even if Germany would be reasonable enough to impose very mild conditions, which isn't likely, French would be pi...d off like hell at losing two wars in a row and would be glad to co-operate with anyone just to stick it to "Boschs").
 
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