Fate of the Czechoslovak Legion in a late CP Victory scenario

Assuming that the CP win the war late due to a succesful Operation Michael (that is, after Brest-Litovsk AND the American entry in the war), what would happen ro the Czechoslovak Legion fighting in Russia?
 
Probably they will be evacuated.
Or they can be granted pardon if Germany and A-H decided to get rid of Bolsheviks. Continue fighting Bolsheviks and you may return home deal.

Some will stay in Russia or China as soldiers of fortune to fight for various warlords.

Maybe some will make their way to France and join Leggion.

Beasicaly their fate could be similar to white movement soldiers and supporters after civil war in Russia. They end up in whatever country accepted them.
 
Assuming that the CP win the war late due to a succesful Operation Michael (that is, after Brest-Litovsk AND the American entry in the war), what would happen ro the Czechoslovak Legion fighting in Russia?

Most would probably make new lives in the US or Canada, though some might accept an Amnesty should Karl offer one.
 
Hmmmmm . . .

If they stay can they help the Whites beat the Reds? or help Siberia get independence from Moscow?

Find a Chinese Warlord who pays well and be his crack troops

Resettle in Canada or the US

Become an Army for hire

Create a Czech govt in exile and wait for Austro-Hungarian Empire to collapse and get their own country
 
Create a Czech govt in exile and wait for Austro-Hungarian Empire to collapse and get their own country


Except that in a CP-victory situation they wouldn't get their own country.

If AH still collapsed (which is not a given) Bohemia and Moravia would simply pass from Austrian rule to German.
 
Well there were not kust some 70000 men of Czechoslovak legions in Russia but also over 10000 in France and some 20000 in Italy.

But as I said before. Most of them will try to get to US or Canada, some will start their new lives in France. Some may stay in Russia, depends on situation there. Some will enter Foreign Legions. And some will return especially if there is some pardon. But their lives in A-H will be not easy.

Somebody said they will form Czechoslovak government in exile. Well there was Czechoslovak National Comitee in Paris since 1916 which represented Czechoslovak resistance abroad. It was fully recognized as representative of future Czechoslovak state only in summer 1918.

In this scenerio they may keep it runing either in France or US. I would say US is more likely due to huge Czech and Slovak community there. But their influence wouldn’t go much behind this.

From leaders, Slovak General Stefanik was French citizen, officer of French army and engaged to Italian Count. He had health issues so he may be out of political life.
Masaryk’s wife was American so he may end up in US. Benes? Probably would stay in France.

If there is some WWII Czechoslovak abroad may try again toform in some sort of “resistance” from abroad. But with experience from before it may have less success.

Edit. Italians may offer Legionaries in Italy some sattlements in their African po cessions I guess.

BTW what about Polish Blue Army in France and Polish legions in Russia?
 

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Same as that of the Polish government/army (and Czechs) in exile fighting with the Wallies after WW2: resettle in other countries.
 
Except that in a CP-victory situation they wouldn't get their own country.

If AH still collapsed (which is not a given) Bohemia and Moravia would simply pass from Austrian rule to German.

In Bohemia, no... But the exact timing and circumstances do open up a rather unique possibility with a strong appeal to most of the major factions involved

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Ukraine

Considering the Legion and other Czech ultra-nationalists probably are going to be persons non-grata in The Hapsburg Empire in such a late war scenario. (There's far too much internal instability and ethnic strife for Vienna to be willing to add yet more weight to the vital task of postwar rebuilding of state authority), pardons for a large, organized trained and tested militia aren't even remotely in the cards. Germany is going to want to try to keep the Bolshevik genie back in the bottle, or at least keep their attention off her gains at B-L long enough to make her gains stick on the ground with economic integration and the formation of stable, pro-German regimes without Communist meddling. The WEstern Entente will be looking for a way to salve the dishonor of defeat without having to invest much of their own resources from their demoralizing and war-weary populace, while giving Wilson a victory on his policy of self-determination and anti-communist stance, satisfy their promises to the Czechs, ect. Japan has interests in expanding its influence in the Russian Far East and building a buffer around Manchuria so she can establish dominance there without a potential Soviet threat, and the Czechs want a state of their own as far from Hapsburg potential repression potential as possible

Is it possible, then, for the peace terms between the CP and Entente to include the recognition of Green Ukraine as a separate state from Russia, with her independence guaranteed by Japan (Possibly with Germany getting back some of her Pacific possesions from Japan in exchange for this 'concession'), initially under a coalition government of the local forces, Legion commanders, and Czech National Comitee (who surrender any claims in Europe to compensate)? Forces in France and Italy could be shipped out and equip with war surplus stocks from the Western Entente who, bolstering local Japanese intervention forces and volinteers, could join up with the Legions already marching east across the Transsiberian to serve as a "freeze dried, ready to eat" professional domestic army, which would have access not only to a steady stream of Entente supplies via Japan and established, secure logistics networks both along the Rail and in Manchuria (Which Japan would be supported by the international community in expanding its footprint in at the expense of a China caught up in the warlord chaos, and thus a complete non-entity in her ability to respond) but slow reinforcement by Cossak forces that might otherwise be lost/pushed out of effective combat by loses in the Caucuses and European Ukraine and potential small forces by White Emigrees or local militias granted amnesty for banditry/rebellion/treason or intent to conduct such by Vienna in exchange for emigration.

Far from the main Bolshevik power and thus the immediate pressure of total war, as well as oversight by the Great Powers and the prexistanse of governing bodies/parties (as opposed to the disjointed White juntas), I could see the very likely possibility of such a state actually putting down roots and getting to the point where the USSR is obliged to accept their existence.
 
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