Fate of the arabs and Palestine in a axis world

Yes , i remember reading about it in a palestinian magazine , there is a story about the king of morocco refusing to hand over jews to the vichy regime
Yes, there was that story. But refusing to hand over Jews to Vichy is not the same as sheltering refugees. As far as I'm aware, no Arab country took any significant amount of Jewish refugees, most of them opposed mass immigration to Palestine, and at least the leadership of Iraq and some of the leadership of Palestinian Arabs were openly aligned with the Nazis.
 
Yes, there was that story. But refusing to hand over Jews to Vichy is not the same as sheltering refugees. As far as I'm aware, no Arab country took any significant amount of Jewish refugees, most of them opposed mass immigration to Palestine, and at least the leadership of Iraq and some of the leadership of Palestinian Arabs were openly aligned with the Nazis.
I remember reading in the mufti book that Himmler asked him how many jews they got killed in Palestine , the mufti replied that the jews of palestine has lived peacefully with us in thousands of years , we're not touching them , it's your jews ( europeans ) that aren't welcomed and then again everyone at that time was aware of the zionist plan to establish a state in palestine that's why i think he said that about the european jews.
 
I remember reading in the mufti book that Himmler asked him how many jews they got killed in Palestine , the mufti replied that the jews of palestine has lived peacefully with us in thousands of years , we're not touching them , it's your jews ( europeans ) that aren't welcomed and then again everyone at that time was aware of the zionist plan to establish a state in palestine that's why i think he said that about the european jews.

That's all well and good, except that some of the violence in Mandatory Palestine (in particular, the massacres at Hebron and Tiberias) was against "Arabized" Jews who had lived in the region for centuries if not millennia. Perhaps the Grand Mufti didn't support such violence, but he certainly failed to condemn both; so I'm skeptical about such claims.

Also: frankly, how the Mufti did or did not feel about "native" Jews has no bearing on Arabs' helping of Jewish refugees in the Holocaust.
 

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Depends on when the Axis win

1939-1941 it becomes an Italian colony similar to Libya. Maybe Vichy France will still control Syria if Hitler feels like being nice. Okay but no devoplment.

1942-1943Hitler met with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. He started recruiting Arabs and Muslims into the SS. The Jews would be taken and the Arabs would be left alone

1944- After the Italians switch sides, Hitker gave speeches on how foolish it was to trust the Italian traitors and Ho he should have gave more support to the Iraq uprising and to our "Aryan Arab Friends"

Although, a slight rebellion and everything is off.
 
Finally - in post 19 - MahgrebUnited mentioned the Vichy French. France already had colonies in Algeria and Lebanon. All Hitler had to do was reinforce Vichy forces in Lebanon because they were perfectly-placed to march across Syria and into Iraq. Iraq has plenty of oil and a fascist-leaning Baathist Party.

Baathists might be convinced to resume the traditional exile of Jews to Babylon, but only allow Jews to settle in the arid Western Dessert of Iraq where they would soon die of thirst.

Meanwhile, the Roman Catholic Church could revive Crusades of Frankish knights to reassert historical claims on various parts of the "Holy Land": Kingdom of Jerusalem, etc. Lebanese ports were excellent stepping-stones during the Crusade to "liberate" Palestine from heathen Moslems.

Nazi theologians could "modify" scriptures to portray Judaism as a dead-end on "the true path." Catholicism could be portrayed as another dead-end, along with the prophet Mohammed, with Martin Luther's Protestant Reformation as another well-meaning dead-end and with Hitler as the most recent prophet to steer the Aryan race to glory.

The Nazi Crusade would cheerfully recruit cannon-fodder from a variety of Arab tribes, but ultimately Nazi knights would wear the glory for "liberating" Palestine. Palestine is a mere stepping-stone to capturing the Suez l Canal and starving Great Britain from food, raw materials, etc. produced in her Eastern Colonies.
Nazi control of the Suez Canal would force WALLY ships to take the long route around South Africa exposing them to u-boat attacks over thousands of more miles.
 
Well Musso link dies and the nazis get a puppet they can use to kill the jews Or Italy needs Nazi
oil from Russia and food
And they can get more if they can kill the news

the nazi wonte all of Europe and all jews ded
The Germans wouldn't invade Italy. It's unneccessary. It's not even as if Italy had a large Jewish population. They made up abiut 0.1% of the country.
 
I think Lee- Sensei underestimates the genocidal intent of the Mufti. While the fellahin probably had more a live and let live attitude, the Arab leadership was not shy of publicizing their genocidal intent. When Husseini fled to Germany , he organized the first Muslim SS unit in Bosnia. Given that Jews in Axis occupied Algeria were sent concentration camps, it is highly unlikely that the Jews of Iraq, Syria, Egypt , Yemen or the yishuv would have survived. As for the Arabs it may be more complicated. there are reports that the Nazis intended to eradicate Christianity later on. Thus the Maronites, Copts and Greek orthodox may have find themselves in a pickle (possible kosher dill). I expect the Nazis to treat the fellahin as another group of lumpenprolitariat.
This is Post Nakba demonization. Anti semetism existed in the Middle East (its strange to say though since most semites are Arabs). However, without the atrocities committed against the Palestinian in 1947 and after, all Arabs handing their Jews over to Hitler isn't likely to happen. Hitler has no way to reach them and Mussolini had no interest in Hitlers genocide.

Most Nazis were Christians.
 
Some, although not all, Arab leaders like the Mufti were all in favour of killing the Jews. Lee-Sensei, It was the Arabs who went to war in 1948 and like the Germans of East Prussia, Danzig and the Sudetenland, don't get a right of return.
What? Of course the Palestinians don't get to return. The Israelis have banned the Natives. Why did you bring it up? If you read Illan Pape, you'll know tha the ethnic cleansing had begun before the non-Palestinian Arabs invaded. the Palestinians didn't invade. They were already there and the majority in both the 56% of the land given to the recent immigrant Jewish minority and the 43% of the land given to the indigenous people by the Europeans.
 
Will you shut up about "Nakba". "Nakba" is just a way of eliding the Arabs responsibility for their own disaster. There would have been a Palestinian state for 68 years but THEY rejected the Partition Plan and went to war thinking they could wipe out the Jews. When you try for All or Nothing and get nothing you should live with the consequences. Nations make choices.
 
Will you shut up about "Nakba". "Nakba" is just a way of eliding the Arabs responsibility for their own disaster. There would have been a Palestinian state for 68 years but THEY rejected the Partition Plan and went to war thinking they could wipe out the Jews. When you try for All or Nothing and get nothing you should live with the consequences. Nations make choices.
And they were right to resist. They were being ethnically cleansed and their land was being stolen from them. In any case, Israels in for a demographics are rapidly shifting in favor of the natives, young westerners are overwhelmingly progressive according to the polls and with every massacre, Israel loses legitimacy on the international stage. The clocks running out on Israelis apartheid and crimes against poor Palestinians But thats not what this thread is about so lets move on.
 
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