Fate of Lithuania without the Partitions: a Polish Ireland?

And about language-Lithuanian nobility was predominatly Polish speaking at the time of Partitions, but not entirely-lesser nobility of Samogitia remained Lithuanian speaking up to 20th century
Hardly. There was a bigger percent of Lithuanian speakers among the nobility of Žemaitija compared to Aukštaitija, but the majority was still using the Polish language.
 
Now that is just false. Throughout the history of the PLC, the Lithuanian nobility for numerous times upheld their ideals of an independent GDL and caused numerous problems for the Poles.

In many elections, the Lithuanians threatened with electing a different King (they especially tangled with the idea of electing a Russian tsar) and thus separating from Poland, and numerous Kings of the PLC, like Stephen Bathory, had to make compromises with the Lithuanians to keep the Union intact.

Meh. You forgot how often people talk loudly but don't mean anything they say.
Interesting how those threats to elect different king ended the moment candidate agreed on to give them those concessions. It's almost as if they didn't care that much about independent GDL, just wanted good excuse to demand concessions that would paint them as patriots, and not just greedy bastards.
They didn't want independent Grand Duchy, just Commonwealth where their status is very high.
 
Meh. You forgot how often people talk loudly but don't mean anything they say.
Interesting how those threats to elect different king ended the moment candidate agreed on to give them those concessions. It's almost as if they didn't care that much about independent GDL, just wanted good excuse to demand concessions that would paint them as patriots, and not just greedy bastards.
They didn't want independent Grand Duchy, just Commonwealth where their status is very high.
...doesn´t make sense, of course nobles would stay in a country where they have more power, that doesn´t change the fact that if their situation and position was threatened they would easily choose independence.
They used the Grand Duchy thing as a tool but the fact that it was usable means there was the potential, the will and the capacity of seceding if things didn´t go their way.
 
...doesn´t make sense, of course nobles would stay in a country where they have more power, that doesn´t change the fact that if their situation and position was threatened they would easily choose independence.
They used the Grand Duchy thing as a tool but the fact that it was usable means there was the potential, the will and the capacity of seceding if things didn´t go their way.
Not to mention that they did try to secede and join with Sweden that one time when things really didn't go their way.
 
Not to mention that they did try to secede and join with Sweden that one time when things really didn't go their way.
Behavior of Swedish forces quickly made that option not very popular-nobles of PLC generally didn't love John Casimir, but they didn't like being robbed also.
 
Behavior of Swedish forces quickly made that option not very popular-nobles of PLC generally didn't love John Casimir, but they didn't like being robbed also.
I never implied this wasn't the case. It's true. But the fact that Janusz Radziwill and the GDL under his control did, in fact, try to secede proves my point.
 
But nobles of Poland also colaborated with Swedes in large numbers recognising Charles Gustav as their ruler. John Casimir was just very effective in making enemies.
 
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