Fate of Estonia in Axis Victory Scenario

Then stop talking about Aryans as if they were a thing that existed.

He's talking about in Nazi ideology, blonde hair and blue eyes makes you Aryan. Capisce? He then goes on to say that blonde hair blue eyed Russians may be taken and Germanized. It's not that difficult to grasp what he is saying. When you talk about Generalplan Ost, you should assume everything referring to Aryans is through the lens of Nazi ideology.
 
Aryan isn't an accepted anthropological or ethnic term unless you're talking about India. Aryan is a term used by the Nazis, whose racial science is not based on any actual science. Poles don't look all that different from Germans and they were still slated for enslavement and extermination.

Racial science, period isn't any kind of science. Race isn't a scientific concept.
 
Then stop talking about Aryans as if they were a thing that existed.

I think he was talking about the Nazi concept of Aryans. It is difficult to talk about Nazi racial theory without mentioning the concept. It may have been a BS concept but it was a concept. Just because it is nonsense doesn't mean that the Nazis didn't believe the in it.
 
He's talking about in Nazi ideology, blonde hair and blue eyes makes you Aryan. Capisce? He then goes on to say that blonde hair blue eyed Russians may be taken and Germanized. It's not that difficult to grasp what he is saying. When you talk about Generalplan Ost, you should assume everything referring to Aryans is through the lens of Nazi ideology.

Exactly.
 
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Red Flags of Socialism.

Ooh some of these statistics on Soviet and commie death tolls are very questionable. Iirc any figure above 50 million for Stalin had been thoroughly discredited amongst historians nowadays as Cold War propaganda. For a start, Stalin ruled a nation with a much smaller population than what Mao ruled, and less concentrated too. Mao's might be accurate. Hitler caused ww2 as well do that needs to be added. Oh and even the highest estimates for Stalins and Maos death tolls don't come close to Ostplan in their scale.
 
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Red Flags of Socialism.

The Stalinist regime killed roughly 6-9 million civilians. 63 million would be nearly 1/3 of the USSR's population. Not even Pol Pot managed to kill such a large percentage.

As for Mao, the only way you could get that high is if you use the highest estimates for death from the Great Leap Forward. Most estimates are in the 20-30 million range. The Great Leap Forward also was not intended to kill people, but to rapidly industrialize China's economy. Mao's great crime was incompetence (see the "Kill the Sparrows" campaign, or having peasants make useless steel) and economic illiteracy.

Also Hitler's Germany killed far more than 20 million. In Poland roughly 6 million died (including about 3 million Jews) and in the USSR about 25 million died (including eight million soldiers and two million Jews.) The total is well over 30 million.

Most importantly, Hitler wan't a socialist in the conventional sense. He said:

Hitler said:
"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
 

jahenders

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The Germans might "germanize" Estonia to some degree, but this would likely be LESS painful to them than the "russianization/sovietization" that they did endure. I visited Estonia a few years ago and went to the "Museum of the Occupations" in Talinn. The museum talked about the Germans coming in, then the Russians coming in. It was VERY clear that the Germans were much preferred and that the Russians were viewed by most as a catastrophe.

As with most non-Russian places the Russians conquered, they brought in lots of ethnic Russians to shift the balance. Estonia is now about 30% Russian. My (Estonian) driver told me that most of the workers in the fast food restaurants are Russians.
 
The Germans might "germanize" Estonia to some degree, but this would likely be LESS painful to them than the "russianization/sovietization" that they did endure. I visited Estonia a few years ago and went to the "Museum of the Occupations" in Talinn. The museum talked about the Germans coming in, then the Russians coming in. It was VERY clear that the Germans were much preferred and that the Russians were viewed by most as a catastrophe.

As with most non-Russian places the Russians conquered, they brought in lots of ethnic Russians to shift the balance. Estonia is now about 30% Russian. My (Estonian) driver told me that most of the workers in the fast food restaurants are Russians.

In large part because the Soviets left later, there are a lot of Estonians that remember Russian occupation while most of the ones that would remember the German one are dead.
 
Jesus Christ! You serious???

Blond equals germanized?? Ever considered that Russians might be blond??

the stereotypes are strong in you

This was a thing the Nazis did, they took children who visually fit the Aryan ideal (ie Blond hair blue eyes, jawline other stupid shit about the nose) were taken to be raised by the state or suitable German families. Some Russians being "Germanized" on this basis is not unlikely which I think is what he meant to say.
 
This was a thing the Nazis did, they took children who visually fit the Aryan ideal (ie Blond hair blue eyes, jawline other stupid shit about the nose) were taken to be raised by the state or suitable German families. Some Russians being "Germanized" on this basis is not unlikely which I think is what he meant to say.
The Blonde Haired and Blue Eyed Aryan is just a Propaganda.
 

jahenders

Banned
In large part because the Soviets left later, there are a lot of Estonians that remember Russian occupation while most of the ones that would remember the German one are dead.

I'll certainly grant that possibility, but some of the exhibits / quotes definitely seemed to be from people who remembered both occupations well and were far more upset at the Russian one.
 
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