Fate of Colonial Empires without WW2

But they in this case collapse together. Prosperity and education woukd benefit Africa in this regard a lot. A lower birthrate woukd be great for stability and stability would be great for keeping the birthrate low. Or making it lower over the years
I was thinking like how the Afrikaner birth rate declined while the Black African birth rate remained high in South Africa (even though the Black birthrate has started to decline as well).
 

elkarlo

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I was thinking like how the Afrikaner birth rate declined while the Black African birth rate remained high in South Africa (even though the Black birthrate has started to decline as well).
Good point. I think the Italians would outnumber their non Ethiopian colonies. So it'd take a long time to catch up pop wise, even with a decline in birthrate
 
I don't think that the French colonies would accept a system where their votes are rigged.

As for a Puerto Rico status, it would still allow France's colonial subjects to move to European France. If millions or tens of millions of non-Europeans move to European France, are the French going to accept this? If Puerto Rico is any guide, you could see something like half the population of Vietnam, Algeria, and West Africa move to European France.
Yeah, that would probably have to include some kind of internal passport system or travel restriction.
 
But they in this case collapse together. Prosperity and education woukd benefit Africa in this regard a lot. A lower birthrate woukd be great for stability and stability would be great for keeping the birthrate low. Or making it lower over the years
Why do you assume prosperity and education would come to the African people?
 
Colonial subjects are unlikely to vote as a block, especially if they are majority, but even then, policies would have to address their concerns precisely because they are the majority.

I am reminded here of a quote by FDR that 'they may be sons of bitches but at least they are our sons of bitches'. The Colonials' will feel the same.
 
Britain is losing money on its empire, the only two areas making money is Singapore and Palestine and possibly Hong Kong???? Palestine trying to keep will be very expensive. I cannot see the British taxpayer being prepared to keep paying the bills.

Although you did not mention it explicitly the most interesting one is Japan. Korea could be better integrated into Japan. However China and Japan will fight. Its a fight to the death and I am doubt the US and Russia will stay out of this conflict.

British Malaya was profitable and strategic thanks all the tin, rubber and later, oil.
 
Italian Ethiopia
Would the Italians still attempted to.invade Ethiopia, even wo Mussolini?

Colonial democratization
I can see that the colonial state with poor, underpopulated, subjungated colonial region try this (e.g: Italy if they're nice enough), but can France, Britain, or even Portugal (again, if they're nice enogh) try this? Is British "commonwealth" model enough for this?

Colonial elites
I suppose they're still there, after all WWII didn't create the colonial elites

Also, how will informal colonization lasts in China? Most of the people are eager to go full May Fourth, but do those in power (is KMT gonna hold on?) willing to risk a tensiom (or worse?)
 
IMO Britain won't have difficulcity to.hold Malaya. Even during Malay Emergency most of Malays are apathetic to communist rebels
 
At the end of the day though, its not the number of people voting that affect the balance of power in parliament, its the number of seats.

So with some manipulation of the size of each electorate you can manipulate how much power each individual member state has.
 

Lusitania

Donor
Libya will becomes Italy's fourth shore due to Italy's aggressive settling of Italians and displacing the arab speaking population. Once oil is discovered, the colony will become indispensable. Ethiopia will IMO stay a thorn in Italy's side, probably abandoning it. Somalia could go either way. I o think Italy had a MUCH firmer grip on Eritrea than Ethiopia and will continue to hold on to this area.
With WWII you may see USA maintain their immigration ban from Southern Europe. Depending on the Italian government it could move thousands of poor Italians to Ethiopia.
 

Lusitania

Donor
The problem with the concept of "Empire" is that it is contradicted by the values of the Enlightenment, which acknowledge the right of each people on earth to self-determination. In other words, global civilisation has reached a level of development where colonial empires could no longer be morally justified.
I wonder if any of the colonial empires could of turned into federation. I believe french were thinking of it but will any country be willing to give the colonists control of their country?
 
I wonder if any of the colonial empires could of turned into federation. I believe french were thinking of it but will any country be willing to give the colonists control of their country?

Russia, I believe that is part of the reason it outlasted the other European colonial rulers.

The other which you may want to consider is borderline, the USA.
 
IMO Britain won't have difficulcity to.hold Malaya. Even during Malay Emergency most of Malays are apathetic to communist rebels

Assuming no outside force comes into the picture. It costed the British a lot of money even that conflict.
 
Well, British Malaya included Singapore, I do not know the breakdown of the parts of British Malaya if you have them I would like to see them.

https://www.um.edu.my/docs/librarie...larly_articles/ho-rubber-and-tin.pdf?sfvrsn=2

The important of the rubber plantations to the British financial position in Malaya and Britain as what had been said by Nicholas J. White:

Malaya’s rubber production . . . produces dollars to an amount that exceeds in total value all domestic exports from Britain to the US . . . if, for any reason, the operation of the great rubber industry are interrupted or seriously impaired, Britain’s dollar situation would be rendered more acute than ever. This country would then have less food, less clothes, and there would be fewer dollars with which to buy raw materials – and that would mean unemployment. All of us are thus deeply concerned in what is happening in Malaya.

The destruction of tin mining industry during the Emergency was as devastate as the rubber plantations. Tin mining industry too was an important component of Malaya economic and played a vital role in sustaining the British administration in Malaya. Unfortunately, for the same reason, owners and miners of the tin mining constantly being terrorized and intimidated by the Communist terrorists to provide them with money, foods and others to sustained their activities and movement in Malaya. This situation tormented the tin miners and labourers, they felt worried, scared and unsafe due to their fear of severe punishment by the Communist terrorists to them and their families members for inability to fulfill their requests. Under this uncertain condition, they were psychological and emotional strains to perform their best work in the tin mining industry.

https://www.bisa.ac.uk/index.php?option=com_bisa&task=download_paper&no_html=1&passed_paper_id=270
The importance of Malaya in this context is as a crucial stopgap component in this strategy to maintain the Sterling Area. The relationship between Britain and Malaya is not an explicitly imperialist one and the archival documents certainly contain no evidence of British villains twirling their moustaches at the pooling of Malaya’s dollars in the Sterling Area reserve. Rather British state managers clearly perceive the importance of Malaya in maintaining the Sterling Area due to its large-‐ scale trade of rubber and tin with the United States, providing a substantial injection of dollars into a trading bloc that is running a deficit with the dollar area. It is also clear from the Archives that British
state managers are well aware that Malaya holds an importance directly to Britain, aware that its dollar contribution is vital to Britain’s post-‐war reconstruction also.
 
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