Fascist Russia vs Communist Germany

BlondieBC

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You need a German minor win/cold peace in WW1. It would take a series of POD's.

1) Tsar is overthrown (OTL)

2) Germany makes a status quo, end the war peace offer in early 1917 (OTL). Russia accepts. (ATL).

3) German throws its FULL weight against France by September 1917, and is more successful. You likely need to slow the USA entering the war, so say no Zimmerman. In late 1918 or early 1919, a cold peace is made. Germany withdraws to 1914 Western border, loses colonies, blockade ends, no reparations.

4) Instead of going democratic, the White Russian government is fascist by 1925. For me, this is easy to see.

5) A very weak Germany still has economic turmoil, and the SDP end up in power, which over times turns into a communist government. It may not be Leninist, but it would fall withing the broad definition of Communism.

6) In the 1930's or 1940's Russia wants Poland, Lithuania back and WW2 starts.
 

JoeMulk

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You need a German minor win/cold peace in WW1. It would take a series of POD's.

1) Tsar is overthrown (OTL)

2) Germany makes a status quo, end the war peace offer in early 1917 (OTL). Russia accepts. (ATL).

3) German throws its FULL weight against France by September 1917, and is more successful. You likely need to slow the USA entering the war, so say no Zimmerman. In late 1918 or early 1919, a cold peace is made. Germany withdraws to 1914 Western border, loses colonies, blockade ends, no reparations.

4) Instead of going democratic, the White Russian government is fascist by 1925. For me, this is easy to see.

5) A very weak Germany still has economic turmoil, and the SDP end up in power, which over times turns into a communist government. It may not be Leninist, but it would fall withing the broad definition of Communism.

6) In the 1930's or 1940's Russia wants Poland, Lithuania back and WW2 starts.

hmm maybe a Socially Democratic Germany is better and it just becomes more like the US during OTL WW2. Otto Weis as FDR.
 

BlondieBC

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hmm maybe a Socially Democratic Germany is better and it just becomes more like the US during OTL WW2. Otto Weis as FDR.

I was thinking more the SDP evolves over time into full blown communism.

And yes, the world could be better off, since WW2 was so damaging.
 

JoeMulk

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I was thinking more the SDP evolves over time into full blown communism.

And yes, the world could be better off, since WW2 was so damaging.

There'd still be a war, it might just be between Germany and Russia though. Not sure what the UK, France and US would be doing ITTL.
 
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