Fascist, Racist, But Not Queerphobic Organizations/Ideologies?

[RiverDelta]

I know this one is probably out there, and I doubt that it exists, but are there any historical or persistent fascist, racist but not queerphobic fascist ideologies?

Bonus points if you can find one that isn't antisemitic, (slightly) easier mode is to get rid of the racist part. I'm hoping for ideologies that aren't just found on the darkest depths of Wikipedia, like, things that have or had a real following, however small or forgotten. Please let's not bring current politics into this beyond "X group currently exists" or the like.

 

[Aubreyyy]

The National Socialist League was an all gay men Neonazi organization in California during the 1970s. Defintely obscure but there were hundreds of them and they made some headlines

 

[Ranchoth]

...it'd just be cheating to found my own, right?

 

[CHKeeley]

Klaus Theweleit’s Male Fantasies tells us that a common feature of the proto-nazis and freikorps men that crushed the workers movement in Germany after the war was they pathologically disliked women. Sure, there was the dutiful cultivation of a wife and children but they were almost universally background noise in their lives. Much of the time their diaries didn’t even include the names of their spouse, just the name of the man who married her off to him. They were something noble and lofty to write about “defending” while you blow the brains out of striking workers. Women were either something to utterly despise (the whore, the ‘red woman’, etc.) or just an incidental backdrop to their memoirs of combat and status. This isn’t necessarily a good translation to openly homosexual völkisch cadres, but there’s a thread to follow there. Sacred Band of Thebes, but it’s a fascist paramilitary in Frankfurt during the German Civil War?

You’ll have to find a way to overcome the stigma though.

 

[overoceans]

Depending how you regard Pim Fortuyn's movement in the Netherlands, early 2000s, they might qualify. Fortuyn himself was gay, and one of his arguments against Islamic immigration was that Muslims wouldn't adjust well to the nation's socially liberal cultural climate, especially around sexual and gender issues.

Some critics lumped his movement in with LePen and allied figures, though there was also an argument that he was just a Thatcherite with a more enthusiastic embrace of social liberalism, and hardline views on immigration.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Hmm. The problem is Christianity's aversion to homosexuality, which carried over to modern Western civilization. I have a feeling Japan's samurai culture could develop something like this. *looks at Yukio Mishima*

 

[Anarch King of Dipsodes]

The Nazi Sturmabteilung (SA) was notorious for homosexual leaders, including its chief Rohm. Of course that was one reason why the SA leaders were purged by Hitler after he gained power.

 

[overoceans]

The National Socialist League was an all gay men Neonazi organization in California during the 1970s. Defintely obscure but there were hundreds of them and they made some headlines

I once read a book about far-right groups in the USA, which included a letter from a neo-nazi to his party leadership, complaining that some of the local chapters were just fronts for gay men to get together and titillate themselves by modeling nazi uniforms. The complainant further attributed the sexualization of nazi uniforms to the "system Jew media", though I think he might have been a bit naive about that.

(Interestingly enough, at least according to Susan Sontag, it was the SA who had the less erotic-looking uniforms, even though they were WAY more associated with homosexuality than the SS.)

 

[overoceans]

By the way, @RiverDelta, have you read Sontag's mid-1970s essay Fascinating Fascism? If not, you might find it of interest.

 

[RiverDelta]

By the way, @RiverDelta, have you read Sontag's mid-1970s essay Fascinating Fascism? If not, you might find it of interest.

I haven't, if you want to link it, feel free.

 

[SealTheRealDeal]

Rohm wasn't the only homosexual in the SA, IIRC there's pretty solid evidence for the existence of a Wild Boys-SA street fighter pipeline.

 

[overoceans]

I haven't, if you want to link it, feel free.

Sorry. I don't know how to do a link on a cell, and the url is too long for me to type out. But it's easy to find on-line just with the title. There's a link beginning "marcuse.faculty.history..." etc.

The first section of the essay is a takedown of Leni Riefenstahl, and the second is a related analysis of 1970s nazi kitsch, and its connection with sado-masochism.

 

[Born in the USSA]

Rohm wasn't the only homosexual in the SA, IIRC there's pretty solid evidence for the existence of a Wild Boys-SA street fighter pipeline.

That's true, but Rohm was by some estimates the first openly gay political leader in modern history (at least since the "gay" identity in the modern sense has cohered)

 

[walmart]

Among the Abrahamic world, Homosexually is viewed as effeminate and a perversion of traditional norms with said views being exported to other regions with colonialism. This clashes with fascist notions of masculinity and extreme social conservatism.

 

[Retro_Reaction]

In the 2016 election, Marine Le Pen did better with the homosexual population of Paris than the heterosexual portion, based on total percentage of population votes. It was something like 20% of Parisian homosexuals vs 16% of Parisian Heterosexuals voted for Le Pen.

Although I feel like this is modern politics so I don't know how appropriate it is for the board.

For an Alt-History, you could have Michael Kuhnen become more popular post coming out.

 

[Bountifulauto82]

Trans Strasserism (or Stranserism) is a fairly well-known example, albeit much like Anarcho-Monarchism and Posadism it's status as a "meme ideology" makes it hard to figure out how many people unironically believe in it. It does seem to have it's fair share of unironic believers though.

 

[Gabingston]

 

[RiverDelta]

If I go the rest of my life without seeing a Jreg clip after this, it'll be too soon.

 

[Sam R.]

It'd be interesting to try to recreate Theweleit's thesis in relation to every anti-worker modernist post-conservative movement. Unfortunately my only alternate data-point is UKGBI Imperial, and, well, the Scouts and other "men on horses" movements such as the Australian boyhood conscripts *aren't gay,* and they aren't queer. What they are is masculinist and intergenerational. I'm not sure if this ties into Theweleit's thanatonic thesis. For at least some people in the movements of men on horses there was a libidinal if violent and rapacious element. Wide diary reading of middle class Imperial men across settler and non-settler states would provide answers. I don't know if I want them.


By the time you reach Monash in Australia and the white army activations in Victoria (Cathcart, defending the national tuckshop), the Old and New Guards and the breaking of the British General Strike and the activations of the NZ men on horses you get a much more mainstream patriarchal rather than intergenerational movement of fascisti.

Anyone up on French?

Any opinions on the use of Castor Oil in male-male relations in Italy?

yours,
Sam R.

 

[overoceans]

If I go the rest of my life without seeing a Jreg clip after this, it'll be too soon.

It's about the quality of someone's high-school drama project. And while the idea of a gay nazi has general comedic appeal, some of his references to current political movements are pretty niche.

Plus, while it's evidently tongue-in-cheek, statements like "Mass immigration? Not so good for the gays." are, in fact, what some ethnonationists say(see the aforementioned Fortuyn), so it doesn't really work as satire.