I once read an AH on deviantart where Britain joins the Central Powers prior to WW1 and Petain becomes dictator of a fascist France.
...here it is.
...here it is.
The First Republic was more Bolshevik than anything else. And the reason their military was so huge was because they were being invaded by the rest of Europe at the beginning. Then they stopped being so Lefty and got more Righty under Nappy.
They were lefties until Robespierre got his head chopped off, then they get more Righty directly during Thermidor and the Directory.
From what I read on La Rocque he was advocating a presidential system rather then fascism that he did not seem to like very much.
I'm not too familiar with 19th century French history, but could Boulangism be seen as a proto-fascist movement?
i think you could place the first french republic as at least quasi-fascist;
i mean, mass executions of people considered traitors
huge military
trying to force their ideology on the world (sort of Ubermensch isn't it?)
that said, it would be interesting to see a real colonial power as Fascist (other than Japan, i mean one that could succeed)
I wonder if Fascism could help France hold on to its empire?
The First Republic was more Bolshevik than anything else. And the reason their military was so huge was because they were being invaded by the rest of Europe at the beginning. Then they stopped being so Lefty and got more Righty under Nappy.
The First French Republic, specifically the government during the Reign of Terror, had elements of both fascism and bolshevism. I suppose the Committee of Public Safety and the Committee of General Security could be called proto-Strasserist or proto-national bolshevist though these descriptions are imperfect.
It is the other way around. Not too surprisingly both the Fascists and Bolsheviks were influenced by the first great European revolution.The First French Republic, specifically the government during the Reign of Terror, had elements of both fascism and bolshevism.
To my mind, fascism is often highly traditionalist and about using sheer brutality to defend the old order. In Spain and Portugal they were closely affiliated with the Church. The only reason they become anti-monarchy is because real life monarchs can be too liberal for them. I think Petainist France certainly qualifies as fascist.
It's between Naziism and fascism where I would argue the true break lies. Naziism was much more ideologically anti-monarchist and also believed in things like reconstructing Christianity etc, that the Francos and Salazars of the world would be appalled by.
Raises the question if you could classify Salazar or Franco as fascists. AFAIK the Falange was a mixture of people normally hating eachother (monarchists, rightwing Catholics, Carlists, fascists etc.), being united under one banner to combat an even greater 'evil'.
It is the other way around. Not too surprisingly both the Fascists and Bolsheviks were influenced by the first great European revolution.
To my mind, fascism is often highly traditionalist and about using sheer brutality to defend the old order. In Spain and Portugal they were closely affiliated with the Church. The only reason they become anti-monarchy is because real life monarchs can be too liberal for them. I think Petainist France certainly qualifies as fascist.
It's between Naziism and fascism where I would argue the true break lies. Naziism was much more ideologically anti-monarchist and also believed in things like reconstructing Christianity etc, that the Francos and Salazars of the world would be appalled by.
Depends. What kinda fascist we talking? Proudhonist syndicalism or Maurassian integralism?
I was referring to the Cercle Proudhon in my statement, but I shoulda been clearer. National syndicalism is what I ought to have said."Proudhonist syndicalism" is not fascism!
In fact, it actually is an anarchist ideology. (Cercle Proudhon does not count. Unless you consider Mussolini to be a marxist.)
Also, it is called Mutualism.
Now, there is NATIONAL syndicalism, which is a completely different ideology.
Slovakia were fascist. Croatia was national socialist, and I'd argue that the Italian Social Republic was as well.Italy and particularly the Italian Social Republic were fascist. Germany, Hungary under the Arrow Cross regime, and Norway to the extent it was under Quisling were national socialist. I understand why you classify France, Spain, and Portugal as fascist though I strongly disagree with your assessment.