Fascist Confederacy Leader

A common trope in alternate history is for an independent Confederacy to fight with the Union in during WWI, such as in Harry Turtledove's TL-191 (which I'm sure every single person on this forum has heard about). In Turtledove's series, the Confederacy loses, causing them to eventually be lead by fascist leader Jake Featherston. However, assuming they're not just butterflied out, are there any possible OTL southerners who could fill the spot of becoming a fascist Confederate leader? Most OTL American fascists I could find in my research have been northerners.
 

Toraach

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There are 'fascist' and fascists. If you mean true fascists not 'fascists' it is highly unlikely to develop that etatists ideology in the CSA who were crazy on state rights and against central power and very on traditional american freedoms of libertarian kind.
 
Nathen Bedford Forrest. I see no problem with the CSA developing something akin to fascism , it was headed in that direction already.
 
A common trope in alternate history is for an independent Confederacy to fight with the Union in during WWI, such as in Harry Turtledove's TL-191 (which I'm sure every single person on this forum has heard about). In Turtledove's series, the Confederacy loses, causing them to eventually be lead by fascist leader Jake Featherston. However, assuming they're not just butterflied out, are there any possible OTL southerners who could fill the spot of becoming a fascist Confederate leader? Most OTL American fascists I could find in my research have been northerners.
Maybe a ,Golden Circle' military dictatorship in order to expand without parliamentarial approval ? A planter class and general lead CSA with a puppet congress. Maybe some extreme Golden Circle religious racial ideology that endorses authoritarian government as God sanctioned and necessary.
 
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Pax

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A common trope in alternate history is for an independent Confederacy to fight with the Union in during WWI, such as in Harry Turtledove's TL-191 (which I'm sure every single person on this forum has heard about). In Turtledove's series, the Confederacy loses, causing them to eventually be lead by fascist leader Jake Featherston. However, assuming they're not just butterflied out, are there any possible OTL southerners who could fill the spot of becoming a fascist Confederate leader? Most OTL American fascists I could find in my research have been northerners.

I have a timeline about the South winning the Civil War that has a "fascist" Confederacy in the 1890s. Actually it's not really the CSA, it's a secessionist, white supremacist government called the Republic of Dixie. The guy who leads it is Alfred Waddell.
 
An Authoritarian CSA? That I could see, but with a POD in the 1860's or earlier there may very well be no Fascism, not to mention a World War that happens exactly at the same time.
 
If we follow the historical trajectory of fascism from Mussolini's path of populist/socialist nationalism of the left into a movement of the radical right with leftist tinges in relatively short order, we could try Huey Long?
 
If we follow the historical trajectory of fascism from Mussolini's path of populist/socialist nationalism of the left into a movement of the radical right with leftist tinges in relatively short order, we could try Huey Long?

Once again, don't mean to rain on the parade, but with a POD in the 1860's, there should be no Huey Long.
 
True, and I seriously doubt that there will be a fascism without there first being a Bolshevik revolution.
The point of this thread is that we're using historical figures and eliminating butterflies except for ones that have specific concrete reasons (like if a certain OTL figure had one northern and one southern parent).
 

Pax

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The point of this thread is that we're using historical figures and eliminating butterflies except for ones that have specific concrete reasons (like if a certain OTL figure had one northern and one southern parent).

How about Alfred "You are Anglo-Saxons. You are armed and prepared and you will do your duty...Go to the polls tomorrow, and if you find the negro out voting, tell him to leave the polls and if he refuses, kill him, shoot him down in his tracks. We shall win tomorrow if we have to do it with guns" Waddell?

That's an actual quote from him.
 
Honestly, fascism is basically just uber-nationalism with increased government control over the means of production. As long as people can feel pride on ethnicity or whatever arbitrary group, it's not a long stretch of imagination to reach the next idea. Getting facisim in an alternate timeline isn't hard
 

Maoistic

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You'd need Communism (which already existed back then) to become popular in the US at the time of the civil war, or to make it an apparent existential threat. Fascism is not just ultra-nationalist dictatorship, it is fanatical anti-Communism as well, and while modern neo-confederates are indeed fanatical anti-Communists and thus fascist, that wasn't the case with the original Confederacy. Perhaps if the 1848 revolutions had been Communist and triumphed, or if the Paris Commune emerges earlier, it is possible for the Confederacy to have ended up like a Latin American caudillista regime that fanatically persecutes "Communists".
 
If we follow the historical trajectory of fascism from Mussolini's path of populist/socialist nationalism of the left into a movement of the radical right with leftist tinges in relatively short order, we could try Huey Long?

Huey Long does seem like a good model for a fascist leader. Another good model is William H. Murray, governor of Oklahoma.
 
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