What it says on the tin, with a post WWI scenario have the same players with inverted ideologies. You may or may not omit Japan if it's not feasible.
Is this at all plausible?
Is this at all plausible?
Fascist Allies, Democratic and Communist Axis
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So, just to be clear...
The UK, the USA, and Russia are all fascist in this scenario? And Germany and Italy are functioning democracies?
Pretty tall order. I'm not sure how, or even if, that would be feasible. Even if one of the Allies goes fascist, that's no guarantee that the others will.
The UK, the USA, and Russia are all fascist in this scenario? And Germany and Italy are functioning democracies?
Pretty tall order. I'm not sure how, or even if, that would be feasible. Even if one of the Allies goes fascist, that's no guarantee that the others will.
Easy: have the Rome Berlin and Tokyo group call themselves the Tripartite Alliance or Allied Powers, and their opponents, the Axis... 
Well, the US and UK are extremely difficult to turn into fascism after winnning WW1, not even a harder crash of 1929 would do it. But they can certainly become more authoritarian. France might be able to turn fascist in the 30s, and for the USSR to become (right wing) fascist, an extension/resumption of the Civil War will be needed.
Japan's Taisho democracy can endure, this is actually the easiest part if they somehow isolate themselves better from the depression's effects. Italy can be taken by communists instead of Mussolini in the 20s. And Hindenburg can reign over the NSDAP before they take full control on Germany.
However, it's pretty much ASB to see the same WW2 alliances and timings with these changes in government.
Well, the US and UK are extremely difficult to turn into fascism after winnning WW1, not even a harder crash of 1929 would do it. But they can certainly become more authoritarian. France might be able to turn fascist in the 30s, and for the USSR to become (right wing) fascist, an extension/resumption of the Civil War will be needed.
Japan's Taisho democracy can endure, this is actually the easiest part if they somehow isolate themselves better from the depression's effects. Italy can be taken by communists instead of Mussolini in the 20s. And Hindenburg can reign over the NSDAP before they take full control on Germany.
However, it's pretty much ASB to see the same WW2 alliances and timings with these changes in government.
Italy: Benny is killed during the war or the march of Rome fail...in both case the fascist are history, political violence remain a thing for another year (at max) but after that things go back to normal; probably a little more stable than OTL France.
France: go fascist and monarchist during the 1934 crisis.
URSS: the white win the civil war thanks to someone that can unite the various faction (maybe a more political savy Kolchak); Russia become the first fascist-led nation of earth
USA: Debs die in prison shortly after being arrested becoming a martyr and a rallying point; there is no socialist split and after the crash of 29 the Socialist Party of American receive a lot of vote (not really that much...but enough to scare someone). The business plot is attempted due to fear of a socialist revolution, it fail miserably and ignite a new civil war (tension were higher than OTL due to the socialist litteraly fighting against the KKK and other groups); by the end of it the USA are no more...just the USSA.
Germany: Hitler killed during the beer hall putsh, the Weimar Republic is an authoritarian democracy...but still a democracy
UK: no idea
France: go fascist and monarchist during the 1934 crisis.
URSS: the white win the civil war thanks to someone that can unite the various faction (maybe a more political savy Kolchak); Russia become the first fascist-led nation of earth
USA: Debs die in prison shortly after being arrested becoming a martyr and a rallying point; there is no socialist split and after the crash of 29 the Socialist Party of American receive a lot of vote (not really that much...but enough to scare someone). The business plot is attempted due to fear of a socialist revolution, it fail miserably and ignite a new civil war (tension were higher than OTL due to the socialist litteraly fighting against the KKK and other groups); by the end of it the USA are no more...just the USSA.
Germany: Hitler killed during the beer hall putsh, the Weimar Republic is an authoritarian democracy...but still a democracy
UK: no idea
UK: Mosley defeats Chamberlain in the 1924 election and becomes the rising star of the Labour Party, initially on the left but gradually shifting towards a "third way" position.
In the early 30s he becomes leader of the Labour Party after the left-wing breaks off, and leads Labour to victory forming a minority government. In order to form an effective government he forms a national unity government with sympathetic elements within the Liberal and Conservative parties willing to support his sweeping reforms to deal with the depression, based on Keynsian economics, Imperial Preference, corporatism and rearmament.
Opposed on the left by the Popular Front (left-Labour, Communists, Independent Socialists and left-Liberals), and on the rights by an alliance of dissident Liberals and Conservatives led by Churchill, the national government is fairly unstable.
Eventually the Popular Front attempt to organise a general strike with the aim of bringing the government down and calling fresh elections. Fearing the possibility of a Communist uprising (and also seeing an opportunity to secure his power), Mosley orders a violent crackdown on the strikers and pushes through sweeping emergency powers, with the full backing of the establishment.
With the left suppressed, he then turns on the right. With his opposition cowed into submission the members of the National Government are merged into a New Party that will govern the British state. Thus begins the era of British Fascism!
In the early 30s he becomes leader of the Labour Party after the left-wing breaks off, and leads Labour to victory forming a minority government. In order to form an effective government he forms a national unity government with sympathetic elements within the Liberal and Conservative parties willing to support his sweeping reforms to deal with the depression, based on Keynsian economics, Imperial Preference, corporatism and rearmament.
Opposed on the left by the Popular Front (left-Labour, Communists, Independent Socialists and left-Liberals), and on the rights by an alliance of dissident Liberals and Conservatives led by Churchill, the national government is fairly unstable.
Eventually the Popular Front attempt to organise a general strike with the aim of bringing the government down and calling fresh elections. Fearing the possibility of a Communist uprising (and also seeing an opportunity to secure his power), Mosley orders a violent crackdown on the strikers and pushes through sweeping emergency powers, with the full backing of the establishment.
With the left suppressed, he then turns on the right. With his opposition cowed into submission the members of the National Government are merged into a New Party that will govern the British state. Thus begins the era of British Fascism!
The german empire was a democracy, it had a parliament, elected parties and worker's laws. I remember reading that Kaiser Wilhelm II promissed to hand even more power to the reichstag after WWI (that was one of the reasons that made the SPD support the war effort)
So have Germany win WWI, the german empire democratizes even more, turn Austria Hungary into the Danubian federationand somehow have the ottoman empire to adotp a more liberal government after Enver Pasha is removed
Then Turn France fascist by the 1920s, have Mussolini march of rome happens as OTL and have the Kingdom of Spain join the Franco-italian axis, have the british to collaborate with the French in the war just to end Mitteleuropa monopoly over europe and to prevent the germans from defeating France again
This is the closest thing to that I can think of
So have Germany win WWI, the german empire democratizes even more, turn Austria Hungary into the Danubian federationand somehow have the ottoman empire to adotp a more liberal government after Enver Pasha is removed
Then Turn France fascist by the 1920s, have Mussolini march of rome happens as OTL and have the Kingdom of Spain join the Franco-italian axis, have the british to collaborate with the French in the war just to end Mitteleuropa monopoly over europe and to prevent the germans from defeating France again
This is the closest thing to that I can think of