What if Russia was doing a little better in WWI, so the Germans would offer the Russian Empire a seperate fair peace? The Red Revolution would occour as iOTL, but won't fight for the allies, too.
They did. IIRC, the first offer was Congress Poland and some territory along the Baltic coast ... Courland, I think, but please don't quote me on that.
The Russians refused, tried one last offensive to drive the CPs back and had their army collapse under them. Then they requested a new peace treaty and got Brest-Litovsk.
So, can a better peace treaty be done? Sure, just have Nicholas suffer an attack of common sense which is, admittedly, easier said than done.![]()
Courland, I think, but please don't quote me on that
Keb
It was actually Lenin and his cronies as both Nicholas and the Provisional Government were out of the way by this time.
Steve
clendor said:So going to be part of my signature...
And anyway, How would a greater USSR affect WWII?
IMO a fair peace with Russia would include:
a) independent Poland ( guarantees about neutrality )
b) independent Finland ( same )
A necromancer! Burn him!
Just kidding.
What should happen to the baltics in your opinion?
Well, I think the Russian Civil War and the secession of the Baltic States and Finland would happen anyway. More interestingly, how would WW1 be affected, if Germany can pull men from the Eastern Front to the Western front earlier?
What if Russia was doing a little better in WWI, so the Germans would offer the Russian Empire a seperate fair peace? The Red Revolution would occour as iOTL, but won't fight for the allies, too.
Russia rejected a fair peace in our timeline and paid dearly for it.
I agree, too bad.
What if Czar did accept some sort of fair peace in beginning of 1917?
Yes, I know that this is allmost ASB, but if he somehow accepted that, what consequences?
The Czar still gets toppled. Remember, the first revolution in 1917 was in February, so the groundwork for it was already there.
Well, that Czar can't be Nicky II. He wouldn't have the brain for it, and would definitely not abandon his autocratic rights.Not so sure about that. After all, revolution in Fenruary came after Czar continued with war, and that oin October after Kerenski did the same thing.
The news that the Czar decided to end war because of humanity could improve status of Imperial Family a lot. Maybe not continuation of autocracy, but constitutional monarchy seems as a possibility to me.
Well, that Czar can't be Nicky II. He wouldn't have the brain for it, and would definitely not abandon his autocratic rights.
Well, that Czar can't be Nicky II. He wouldn't have the brain for it, and would definitely not abandon his autocratic rights.