Fact checking: do you have the same thing in your country?

I had always gotten the impression that all British newspapers were the same, except the Guardian.

They all stalk celebrities, make sensationalist headlines and approaches to journalism, and generally hold similar centrist viewpoints.

The Guardian on the other hand is radically leftist but also does the same celebrity stalking and sensationalism, etc.

I guess maybe the Daily Mail is right leaning, but personally, I can't really tell the difference between it and the Telegraph and the Sun.

Pretty much. This is why I only go to the BBC for news. Its not brilliant but at least its public funded so is less worried about sensationalism (even though it does creep in from time to time...)
 
Pretty much. This is why I only go to the BBC for news. Its not brilliant but at least its public funded so is less worried about sensationalism (even though it does creep in from time to time...)

Don't forget the "Independent" ... usually anything but, pretending not to be the "Grauniad" (Its editing is notoriously bad) but actually its the same thing.

Today's Headlines about the budget were absolutely ridiculous, you would think that the Chancellor had just announced that the government's new economic policy was to save money by burning the Homeless for fuel.
 
I'm afraid that you're off topic

And the Daily Mail is REALLY bad.

Kensington chattering class are leading the sheeple of Britain to ruination, immigrants have more rights than working taxpayers in that social engineering experiment called Britain started by Phony Tony and the liebour party.

Can you state a single of those rights?
 

abc123

Banned
Hello all

I' was going to write an AH but I need to check first if you have the same thing in your countries (and if you don't, is there something more or less equivalent).

It's called "pupille de la nation" (in French, working for Switzerland and Belgium too).

The idea is (law from 1917 modified in 1990 and 1993): if one of your parents dies (or is severely disabled) "for the country" (it's a wide definition: first it was only during a war but it works for the army, military police, police, magistrates, prison officers, customs officers, doctors killed by patients, victims of terrorism... ) then you get some specific advantages in recognition:
- free counseling (for life)
- complete and unlimited scholarship (or subsidy if you want to create your own company before 21yo)
- free unlimited health insurance
- "as much as needed " subsidy for food, clothes, entertainment, child card.
- specific subsidy for holidays
- subsidy to help you to find your first job
- subsidy if you need adult education
- interest free loans if you want to create your company
- specific advantages to become a public servant
- specific tax discount if the donee is the pupille

The idea is that the "country" has to replace any help your parents could have provided.


So, do you have more or less the same thing?

In Croatia- yes, something like that for children of dead/invalid veterans of Croatian War of Independence.;)
 
I had always gotten the impression that all British newspapers were the same, except the Guardian.

They all stalk celebrities, make sensationalist headlines and approaches to journalism, and generally hold similar centrist viewpoints.

The Guardian on the other hand is radically leftist but also does the same celebrity stalking and sensationalism, etc.

I guess maybe the Daily Mail is right leaning, but personally, I can't really tell the difference between it and the Telegraph and the Sun.

Do you live in the UK? Because the Guardian doesn't 'stalk celebrities' (it might write about them sometimes, but I've never seen a pap shot in there).

The Mail is very right-leaning, as is the Express, the Sun slightly less so but barely. The Telegraph is very conservative, the Independent masquerades as centrist, is written by centre-right-wingers and read by centre-leftists, and the Guardian is centre-left. The Mirror is left wing.

To say 'they all hold similarly centrist viewpoints' is very difficult if you actually know the facts of the matter, IMO.
 

jahenders

Banned
One of my favorites -- it really paints the picture

  • I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
    The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
    The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
    I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
    O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
    But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

    I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
    They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
    They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
    But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
    But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
    The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
    O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
    An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
    Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
    Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
    But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
    The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
    O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

    We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
    But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
    An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
    Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
    While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
    But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
    There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
    O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

    You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
    We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
    Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
    The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
    But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
    An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
    An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
  • Rudyard Kipling
 
Do you live in the UK? Because the Guardian doesn't 'stalk celebrities' (it might write about them sometimes, but I've never seen a pap shot in there).

The Mail is very right-leaning, as is the Express, the Sun slightly less so but barely. The Telegraph is very conservative, the Independent masquerades as centrist, is written by centre-right-wingers and read by centre-leftists, and the Guardian is centre-left. The Mirror is left wing.

To say 'they all hold similarly centrist viewpoints' is very difficult if you actually know the facts of the matter, IMO.

By that definition, Lenin was centre-left.
 
You were misinformed. Most British papers are right-wing for the simple reason that they are owned by plutocratic press barons. The Guardian was in love with the SDP in the 1980s. They are hardly radical. As Harry Perkins said "I wouldn't trust them to guard my Uncle Sid's greenhouse."



I had always gotten the impression that all British newspapers were the same, except the Guardian.

They all stalk celebrities, make sensationalist headlines and approaches to journalism, and generally hold similar centrist viewpoints.

The Guardian on the other hand is radically leftist but also does the same celebrity stalking and sensationalism, etc.

I guess maybe the Daily Mail is right leaning, but personally, I can't really tell the difference between it and the Telegraph and the Sun.
 
That's the reason I got out of the country.
Kensington chattering class are leading the sheeple of Britain to ruination, immigrants have more rights than working taxpayers in that social engineering experiment called Britain started by Phony Tony and the liebour party.

Thank you, Alf Garnet.
 
Hello all

I' was going to write an AH but I need to check first if you have the same thing in your countries (and if you don't, is there something more or less equivalent).

It's called "pupille de la nation" (in French, working for Switzerland and Belgium too).

The idea is (law from 1917 modified in 1990 and 1993): if one of your parents dies (or is severely disabled) "for the country" (it's a wide definition: first it was only during a war but it works for the army, military police, police, magistrates, prison officers, customs officers, doctors killed by patients, victims of terrorism... ) then you get some specific advantages in recognition:
- free counseling (for life)
- complete and unlimited scholarship (or subsidy if you want to create your own company before 21yo)
- free unlimited health insurance
- "as much as needed " subsidy for food, clothes, entertainment, child card.
- specific subsidy for holidays
- subsidy to help you to find your first job
- subsidy if you need adult education
- interest free loans if you want to create your company
- specific advantages to become a public servant
- specific tax discount if the donee is the pupille

The idea is that the "country" has to replace any help your parents could have provided.


So, do you have more or less the same thing?

Perhaps the people at www.arrse.co.uk will be able to help you with your question in regards to the British Army
 
Nah, just a realist, not a metrosexual singer of Kumbaya!

Actually, I'm gay and high church, not low, not that there's anything wrong with metrosexuals though you evidently think there is. Not that you're prejudiced of course. I dare say Alf Garnet would have characterised himself as a realist too.
 
Really? So, someone born now might have an easier life because of something their great-grandfather did 90 years ago?

That's pretty normal under a system where inequality is the norm. Atleast this is rewarding people for risking their lives rather than for being good at being greedy asses.
 
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