Eyes Turned Skywards

Welcome to EtS, nixonshead
Your Artwork is fantastic !

on question i can answer some

Hotol and Sänger II

the British Hotol had major construction fault:
a heavy air breading engine in aft section, push the point of gravity more and more to back, while the fuel tanks goes empty.
in end they could not solve the problem. so Hotol was redesign to be rocket launch from An-325, but the Program died quietly and reborn as redesigned SKYLON.

Sänger II "died" official in 1995, it was series of interacting reason what let to cancelation.

the first: MBB in 1980 start Sänger II as theoretical technology study and NOT as a official program !
1989 MBB became part of DASA (Deutsche Aerospace Aktiengesellschaft, later Daimler Benz Aerospace Aktiengesellschaft. today EADS)
Second: the Sänger II concept had unusual success in Aerospace industry, media and german politic scene
because the option: Manned, unmanned space flight and a Mach 7 airliner
what let DASA to declare Sänger II to there "official" program, much to anger of France who work on Hermes space shuttle.
Third: This let to some German French dispute about ESA limited budget use on Hermes or Sänger II
Also let to a strange situation, that French also start study Sänger II like concept by CNES and Dassault!
in Germany Sänger II is study by Universities like RWTH Aachen, who made a feasibility study on order by DFG (Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft)
Forth: Sänger II needed technology, what was far far away from German level on hypersonic aerospace research.
it's major problem was the Mach 7 engine on first stage.
Fifth: In 1989 to 1991 Germany change completely, with collapse of East Germany and Unification of the two germanys.
Money was needed for Unification process, So Sänger II project came under the budget axe.
in 1995 Sänger II had not enough budget for Engine test or build a Mach 7 demonstrator aircraft. also study from german Universities show,
that Sänger II is not cheaper as Ariane 5 launch vehicle, so the Project was terminated.



On Sci-Fi show on TV.
there were zillion proposal for Show or Pilots and never be heard again.
one was Peter Hyames (2010, Outland) about police work in future Los angeles of year 2015, with design of Syd Mead !
Gene Roddenberry try to sell several non Star Trek Sci-Fi series: : The Questor Tapes; Spectre and Genesis II. (later redesign as Planet Earth).
and there is Gerry Anderson and BBC with Doctor Who, Blake's Seven and Red Dwarf :cool:
 
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Multibody is like Titan IV OTL: Government only. ...
Why is that, may I ask? Is it that no private interest can afford or wants 20+ tonne to LEO launches? They'd perhaps be more likely to want to exploit the tonnage to GEO, which might bring the Centaur stage into play, which is something we haven't seen described in any updates yet unless I overlooked some space probe launches using it.

Isn't at least the M02 in line with some OTL commercial launchers, and wouldn't Boeing be eager enough to launch something (subject to US government approval) for any paying customer?

Another bottleneck besides Boeing being beholden to Uncle Sam is that the Multibodies are meant to be assembled and launched with the VAB and launch pads at Canaveral, possibly also at alternate facilities at Vandenberg; certainly the latter may be unable to contract out to civil users and the former may just be booked up.

I'm just confused because I thought back when the Multibody concept was being unveiled on the thread there was indeed talk of the possibility that commercial customers might hire a few. Perhaps I was mixing up discussion that foreign governments, specifically ESA, possibly Japan, might contract a few launches? I know that the possibility of new Multibody launch facilities at Kourou was raised (by me anyway) and IIRC rejected as requiring more infrastructure than the ESA is likely to fund.

But still, I thought that the whole idea of Multibody was to be flexible, reliable, therefore procured in numbers, therefore cheaper--and so both the various branches of the US government with an interest (NASA and DoD) and Boeing would be keen to encourage as much procurement of Multibody services as could fit on available launch facilities, and if that meant expanding to new facilities--so much the better!

So--is it "government only" because although cheaper than OTL alternatives it's not so cheap as to carve out a civil niche, or because it addresses a range of masses to orbit and beyond that are beyond civil interest, or because the US government has reservations about sharing it too freely, or because of launch site issues?
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And is this "government only" comment meant merely to apply to the situation as of now, or does it prophesize how things are always going to be?
Mind!? I love them! :D Never ask whether I mind fanart, the answer is absolutely not!

I thought they looked great too. Downright gorgeous in fact. Now that you've endorsed the color scheme by implication, I trust they show actual scenes from canon.

Thanks very much, nixonshead!
 
Another picture, the completed Spacelab receiving supplies. I noted you seemed to have included the Skylab sunshade on your Spacelab models. I had a tough time finding reference pictures for the Orbital Workshop that showed its intended design appearance with the meteor shield intact, but from what I could tell it should be black-and-white. Please feel free to correct me if I've got this wrong, I'd be happy to update my models accordingly!

1) Welcome to the Board Nixonshead! :)

2) Love the pics. :D


Why is that, may I ask? Is it that no private interest can afford or wants 20+ tonne to LEO launches? They'd perhaps be more likely to want to exploit the tonnage to GEO, which might bring the Centaur stage into play, which is something we haven't seen described in any updates yet unless I overlooked some space probe launches using it.

It has been mentioned with NASA BEO missions, where a Centaur Upper Stage is utilised.


Isn't at least the M02 in line with some OTL commercial launchers, and wouldn't Boeing be eager enough to launch something (subject to US government approval) for any paying customer?

*Snip*

And is this "government only" comment meant merely to apply to the situation as of now, or does it prophesize how things are always going to be?

I'd guess that a combination of Production Capability and NASA/DoD Demand means there won't be any to spare for Commercial Launches. That, and it assures them that they'll have an LV ready for them when needed. Plus, I don't think the DoD would be happy with an LV they make use of being a Commercial Launch Vehicle IMHO.

In addition, ESA has the Europa III LV which is intended to be used as a Commercial Launch Vehicle IIRC, which could suck a lot of demand away from the US LVs.

Now add in the collapsed USSR. It's still got the capable Vulkan for GTO Payloads via the Block R Upper Stage. I can foresee having certain US companies tie in with Russia for Joint Venture Commercial Launch Services which the US Government can pass off as "Keeping the Russian Workers in Good Jobs".

Come to think of it E and Truth. Do you have anything like this planned for Part III? It does make a certain amount of good sense to me.
 
Glad you guys like the pics! It was fun for me, and I hope to get round to doing some of the other ships sometime soon.

...are you by any chance the Nixon's Head I used to know back on the Subspace Comms Networks?...

Yep, that was me. I still visit EAS quite regularly, and submit the odd update for JoAT, but don't tend to post on SCN these days.

the British Hotol had major construction fault:
a heavy air breading engine in aft section, push the point of gravity more and more to back, while the fuel tanks goes empty.
in end they could not solve the problem.

A few years ago I saw Alan Bond give a talk at the Royal Aeronautical Society in London where he referred to Hotol as "A great system for launching hydraulics into orbit", i.e. no room left for payload :) I wonder what Alan Bond's up to ITTL...

and there is Gerry Anderson and BBC with Doctor Who, Blake's Seven and Red Dwarf

I thought about mentioning those, but my bullet list was already getting a bit long! I guessed Who would still be cancelled in '89, and Red Dwarf would probably carry on more or less as per OTL (Blake's 7 was already gone by then). I had a fanboy hope that maybe the exploits of more long-term space habitation ITTL might mean that Star Cops gets a second series, but I suspect that it would still fall victim to low budget, shoddy direction (for some of the episodes at least) and the Beeb's general 'People don't like sci-fi' attitude from that time period (It was irrational IOTL, so I guess it would still be irrational ITTL!).

Now that you've endorsed the color scheme by implication, I trust they show actual scenes from canon.

One thing which I'm not sure if it would be canon is the AARDV docking with 2 Apollos present. If I understand correctly, there'd only be 2 Apollos during crew rotation for about a week, and an AARDV delivery would presumably normally be scheduled for a different period to avoid traffic congestion (and stressing ground control resources). But I wanted to show the 'Full Monty' for Spacelab, so used some artistic license ;)
 
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Why is that, may I ask? Is it that no private interest can afford or wants 20+ tonne to LEO launches? *snip* Isn't at least the M02 in line with some OTL commercial launchers, and wouldn't Boeing be eager enough to launch something (subject to US government approval) for any paying customer?
Those OTL launchers like Proton and Ariane 5 use dual-manifesting, they don't launch a single 9ish-ton GTO payload but rather generally a 6ish and a 3ish together. These are the sizes that the commercial market is built around IOTL and there's not a huge benefit to getting bigger--despite those 20 ton vehicles being available IOTL for nearly a decade and a half, there's been no development of satellites to fully use their capability in a single-manifested launch. Multibody could do the same dual manifesting...except it's more expensive per kilogram than launchers like the Lockheed Titan, McDonnell Delta 4000, and Europa III/IV that are already on the market and can simply directly handle a 6 or 3 ton GTO payload. Multibody's cheaper than Shuttle, but still not enough to compete commercially--partially because the commercial market cost is also a bit below OTL.

And is this "government only" comment meant merely to apply to the situation as of now, or does it prophesize how things are always going to be?
It's a statement of how it is in the 80s (Part II) and how it's likely to be for at least the early parts of Part III (early-to-mid 90s) since there's nothing on the path to changing that as of the end of Part II. The changes in the commercial market in the 90s are one of the two main focuses of Part III, alongside NASA's lunar program, so that's about all I can say without spoilers.

I thought they looked great too. Downright gorgeous in fact. Now that you've endorsed the color scheme by implication, I trust they show actual scenes from canon.
Don't trust that. Truth is life and I just saw them for the first time when they were posted in the thread--this was a really pleasant surprise. However, looking again, I've seen a few things in them that'd need revision before they could be canon. If nixonshead would be willing to do so, I'd love to get these to the point where they can be canon--they beat my renders by a wide margin.
 
One thing which I'm not sure if it would be canon is the AARDV docking with 2 Apollos present. If I understand correctly, there'd only be 2 Apollos during crew rotation for about a week, and an AARDV delivery would presumably normally be scheduled for a different period to avoid traffic congestion (and stressing ground control resources). But I wanted to show the 'Full Monty' for Spacelab, so used some artistic license ;)

Well AARDVark can be docked to SpaceHab while there's two Apollo Block III+ docked to it as well, since IIRC it had 4 docking ports. Forward, Aft, Zenith, & Nadir. In other words, Two Apollo Block III+ and two AARDVarks can be docked at the same time.
 
Glad you guys like the pics! It was fun for me, and I hope to get round to doing some of the other ships sometime soon.
Let me know if you'd like any dimensions off my renders for yours--particularly for Salyut 7, Mir, or Freedom. ;) You can just use a standard TKS model if one exists in the proper format, TKS is as-OTL.

Yep, that was me. I still visit EAS quite regularly, and submit the odd update for JoAT, but don't tend to post on SCN these days.
Yeah, me either the boards kind of started drying up and...well, frankly I fell in with this crowd. :) I really liked your art back in the days, but didn't have much skill myself--I'm not surprised if you don't remember me. Small internet, anyway!

One thing which I'm not sure if it would be canon is the AARDV docking with 2 Apollos present. If I understand correctly, there'd only be 2 Apollos during crew rotation for about a week, and an AARDV delivery would presumably normally be scheduled for a different period to avoid traffic congestion (and stressing ground control resources). But I wanted to show the 'Full Monty' for Spacelab, so used some artistic license ;)
Yeah, Aardvarks are scheduled between crew rotations for a couple reasons, traffic congestion being one, pad handling being another. But there's an artistic tendency to want to show all of them--my models of the stations for TTL generally show a full complement of visiting vehicles for much the same reason.
 
A few years ago I saw Alan Bond give a talk at the Royal Aeronautical Society in London where he referred to Hotol as "A great system for launching hydraulics into orbit", i.e. no room left for payload :) I wonder what Alan Bond's up to ITTL...

Oh he work very good for the moment on SKYLON and it SABRE engine parts made first test runs.
means solong the British gop keep funding the project

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYos3J_8D5Q&feature=fvwp
SKYLON explanation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg2T7MUULZQ
SABRE Precooler test run
 
...looking again, I've seen a few things in them that'd need revision before they could be canon. If nixonshead would be willing to do so, I'd love to get these to the point where they can be canon...

I'd be delighted to update them if you let me know what changes you want. I used a fair bit of guesswork and extrapolation from OTL Skylab, Apollo and Shuttle-Spacelab references to add details, so I'm not surprised I got some things a bit off-canon. I very much enjoy playing with them, but they're still your toys :D

Let me know if you'd like any dimensions off my renders for yours--particularly for Salyut 7, Mir, or Freedom.

Definitely interested, feel free to PM me with the details.


You can just use a standard TKS model if one exists in the proper format, TKS is as-OTL.

Where's the fun in that? :)
 
I just saw This and thought you guys would be interested. That, and i'm looking forward to seeing more.

Needs more information. So this is a 150-ton system that can run off the solar cells aboard the ISS. So... what kind of thrust does it develop? I'm not sure this thing is any better than an ion engine from what the article tells us.

BTW, wasn't there supposed to be an update to ETS yesterday?
 
Needs more information. So this is a 150-ton system that can run off the solar cells aboard the ISS. So... what kind of thrust does it develop? I'm not sure this thing is any better than an ion engine from what the article tells us.

BTW, wasn't there supposed to be an update to ETS yesterday?

Its supposed to be a fusion reactor. Given that we cant make one work at breakeven point ON EARTH with massive buidings and infrastructure, the article seems a tad, as in cockeyed, optimistic. For feasibility at all, let alone the engineering details needed to get a mass estimate. Good grief!
 
Nope. Part II of ETS has already concluded. Therefore ETS is in hiatus until Part III is ready for posting.
Yeah, sorry, su_liam, but we're on haitus until we're ready for Part III. Work on that's proceeding--I just finished drafting a post on ALS right before checking the board. I'm glad you're looking forward to it, I'm looking forward to everyone seeing what we've worked up in a few months once we've got enough material stored in the buffer.
 
I just saw This and thought you guys would be interested. That, and i'm looking forward to seeing more.

There's a thread started in February, originally based on the somewhat less recent announcement by Lockheed-Martin that they hope to have a useful fusion reactor based on old-fashioned magnetically contained plasma ready within the decade, where Slough et al's University of Washington proposal has also been discussed.

Needs more information. So this is a 150-ton system that can run off the solar cells aboard the ISS.
These media reports are of course soft and incomplete--mind, I have some reservations about Slough's own rigor, see below! But digging deeper a couple of layers, I found a PDF of a paper by the team that gives us more useful information, though it still doesn't tell us just what sort of overall mass they expect a useful system to have, nor hard numbers as to the power input required (but he hopes to get it working to the point where it outputs 200 times the power needed to trigger the fusion pulse, so that's an estimate of sorts--if you knew the mass of the pulsed matter!:D)

No, it doesn't have to run on solar power, it could feed back some of the power it generates to sustain the compression mechanism, but the team figured for the propulsive application, it would be simpler to rely on sun power for input and not try to capture any of the output. They do say though that regenerating the input energy from the output is entirely feasible. (Rightly or wrongly--it seems entirely plausible to me).

150 (actually, in the paper, up to 200 tonnes) would be the initial mass of the spacecraft being launched from LEO to Mars, on a 30 day trajectory--all up mass, craft including power plant plus propellant. Not the mass of the system itself.
So... what kind of thrust does it develop? I'm not sure this thing is any better than an ion engine from what the article tells us.
It's different from an ion drive. Different strengths, different weaknesses. What it is, is an intermittently pulsed fusion-powered thermal lithium (or aluminum, whatever--I think they only use Al now because it's more convenient and lithium is what they'd use on an operational spaceship) rocket. The power that drives the ship is from hydrogen fusion (deuterium-tritium) of a very small pellet that vaporizes a much larger mass of metal. I'll describe how I gather it's supposed to work below. But the energy comes from fusion; the choice to drive the compression stage with input solar power is one of alleged engineering convenience and amounts to choosing not to use any of the fusion-generated power to sustain the action, thus very slightly augmenting the thrust and one can think of the solar power as being indirectly input into the drive power.

Its supposed to be a fusion reactor. Given that we cant make one work at breakeven point ON EARTH with massive buidings and infrastructure, the article seems a tad, as in cockeyed, optimistic. For feasibility at all, let alone the engineering details needed to get a mass estimate. Good grief!

Indeed I'm considerably more excited by the prospect of the thing working as a power generator on Earth than as a rocket in space, especially if certain limitations the team seems to accept as inevitable cannot in fact be easily overcome. If it works just as they describe, it seems to me to make more sense to use it as a power generator on the spacecraft, recycling the metal that is most of the throughput mass, and use that power to drive some sort of ion or plasma or whatever sort of externally powered reaction drive one likes.

For one thing, even if the limitations I'm worried about can be addressed and the rate of fire and thus the thrust raised to something reasonable, the maximum ISP they envision is in the ballpark of 5000--and the press articles more typically talk about 3000. That's better than an LH2-LOX chemical rocket by far, better than a thermal fission rocket in fact by a factor of 3 to 5, but it's still not all that fast relative to the velocity changes one needs to go between planets in a matter of months. I can believe (with one big reservation!) the transit times their article talks about to Mars, but with the total mission delta-V, out to Mars, stopping there, then boosting away from there and braking to Earth orbit, of 60,000 m/sec, an ISP of 3000 means that something like 6/7 of the launch mass must still be propellant.
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OK, here's what it's supposed to be. One takes a strip of metal foil--ideally lithium at least for the propulsion application--that, in the paper, masses 370 grams, and presumably can be scaled up or down within certain ranges for different applications--and arranges it as a ring, a good fraction of a meter in diameter. Then there's a pellet of fusible material, in this case a mix of deuterium and tritium, being shot down the axis of the ring; as it approaches the ring center magnetic fields rapidly crush the ring (I think I saw the speed of the metal inward estimated as reaching 4000 m/sec) so that crumples around the pellet, dead center when the metal gets there. The momentum of the metal compresses and heats the pellet to temperatures and pressures where fusion occurs--I gather the reaction won't fuse all the potential fuel except at the very highest possible gains they might hope to achieve--and the released heat vaporizes the metal. The paper mentions the metal layer being something like 5 centimeters thick as fusion is happening, and that this would be enough to absorb most of the neutrons the reaction puts out, so essentially all the released energy goes into heating the metal (and presumably the leaking neutron flux is low).

Now we have essentially 370 grams of metal that will of course explode thermally; the magnetic fields form a sort of nozzle that guides the thermalized plasma back to form a rocket pulse, and from the estimates given of the metal moving at 30 to 50 km/sec exiting the nozzle, we can see that the lithium outmasses the fused fuel by a factor of a million or so.

First reservation--in the first article I saw about it, Slough is hoping to get the rate of pulsing up to once a minute!:eek: That's right, not 60 Hertz; 1/60th of a Hertz!

When we look at the mechanism we can see why; it is necessary to arrange another ring of metal foil around the focal point of the reaction; obviously it would take time to do that.

But on the other hand--suppose he does get the metal to come flying out at 50,000 meters/sec. A kilogram would have kinetic energy of one and a quarter Gigajoules, since we're dealing with a bit more than a third of that mass, it's still 500 megajoules or so; doled out over 60 seconds until the next pulse, that's 8 megawatts.

As a power generator, one would simply have another magnetic field downstream, to brake the plasma pulse to nearly a stop, using its kinetic energy to pump up the field. Obviously the slowed, cooled and spent lithium needs to be allowed to vent out of the chamber anyway or it will accumulate there and clog things up--so there the lithium is, needing to be collected and removed anyway but available to be re-fashioned into more foil for later pulses.

As a rocket--obviously the thrust depends on how big a mass of metal the mechanism can squeeze to initiate how large a fusion reaction. If we were talking a whole kilogram, or 10 tonnes, and yet we can fuse enough fuel to vaporize it all to the same 30-50 km/sec exhaust speed, we'll raise the impulse by 3 to 30,000.

But of course that's "raising" it from around 20,000 kg-meter/sec, which is macroscopic enough, but with 60 second intervals between pulses, that could only accelerate a third of a tonne at a rate of 1 m/sec^2, or just 30 kg at one gravity--average. Obviously it would give that 30 kg mass a big 600 meter/sec jolt, then it would coast (assuming a 60 G shock didn't smash it!) until the next pulse. But of course while I can well believe the magnets and stuff involved can weigh in at a lot less than 10 tonnes or even 1 tonne, I doubt that it can mass just 30 kg!:rolleyes:

The accelerations he hopes to reach are in fact more like an average of 1/200 of a G, or 5 centimeters/sec^2--again in the form of a jolt of 3 meters/sec with a 60 second wait for the next one. Imagine being in a car going 6 mph that slams into a wall, once a minute.

A single pulse drive with its metal charge in the range of 1/3 a kg as his article discusses could only drive 7 tonnes at this rate; obviously we'd need a battery of 30 or so to drive 200 tonnes! That of course is an opportunity as well as cost--it means the pulsing would be smoothed out, each jolt only being 10 cm/sec on the whole mass, and one coming every 2 seconds--one might better imagine effective shock absorbers that smooth that out into a steady, slow push.

And if the assembly to pulse a 370 gram mass once a minute masses a tonne all up, then I've proposed a drive that masses 30 tonnes, for a 200 tonne spaceship, that drives it at 1/20 meter/sec^2 acceleration.

Obviously I'd hope that the rate of fire could be considerably improved! If it could be got up to once every 10 seconds we'd increase the thrust by a factor of 5, or alternatively could get rid of 4/5 of the pulse driver units. And we could fiddle with the mass of the package that gets pulsed; I don't think 370 grams is written in stone on the foundations of the Universe; why not a kilogram, or more? (Or less--10 grams, a single gram, assuming the mechanism that drives the masses to compression can also scale down--since it's momentum driven, I doubt that though). I'd think there would be tradeoffs and practical limits on the scale of each pulse; I've thought of some approaches to get the rate of fire up.

But even if a reasonably sized set of driver units could between them generate not 1/200 of a G but say a half G, suitable for TLI and Solar System transit injection in one quick thrust--still, we have the limited ISP to think about. It's large, but not huge compared to Solar system travel delta-V's we'd want.

Meanwhile--Slough and co-writers are very pleased that they can think in terms of a 200 tonne craft all up, that can be launched to LEO by a very big rocket. They don't seem to realize that if their acceleration is far below the level of the gravitational acceleration where they are, that they won't arc out on an escape trajectory but on a slow spiral tour of LEO and MEO (including those scenic Van Allen radiation belts!:eek:) that will waste a huge boatload (literally!) of reaction mass. They need something to boost them up high enough that 1/200 of a G is comparable to the pull Earth is putting on them. Well, that's just 14 Earth radii out--but the rocket that can send them up that high first is going to account for much of the delta-V of the mission. The same thing needs to be done approaching Mars, and leaving Mars, and braking to parking orbit at Earth.

This is why I'd want the rate of fire way up there, and hope that the mass of a single pulse unit scales down with the pulse mass, and that small pulse masses will work, so that there can be lots of drivers each generating small pulses out of synch with each other for a net thrust in the half-g range or so, to eliminate that intermediate rocket.

And why it might be smarter to go with the device as a power generator, converting a store of fusible fuel to power via metal that gets recycled, and the power used to drive an ion drive or some such, provided the ion drive has a higher ISP than 5000.

Meanwhile, if this contraption can work at all--and I'd never have thought such a simple contrivance could reasonably be expected to produce fusion-inducing conditions, but on that point I'll take Dr. Slough et al's word for it, and trust they will be kicked out of their positions at U-Wash if the basic physics claims they are making are all mendacious hooey, tenured or not--even if the limits that make it unattractive as a space drive cannot be overcome, I think it can probably transform the world situation by providing a long term solution to power generation that would be feasible as such immediately. In other words, we would never learn whether we might have gotten by on renewable energy, or vice versa done perfectly fine with suitable fission reactors. If the U-Wash team can get better than breakeven on the reaction--and the authors hope to go as high as 200 times input energy, and would settle for a mere 100--then I foresee no problems at all using the system for ground-based power generation, even if the installations turn out to mass 20 tonnes for a paltry 8 megawatts! The point is, their "fuel," when we bear in mind we have to recover the metal just to keep it from accumulating and clogging up the works, and so can easily recycle it, is abundant in sea water. There's plenty of it, available to everyone in the world, and so a huge constraint on the ongoing economic development of the world to First-World standards has been removed.

So why in God's name is the U-Wash team getting funding from NASA for a dubious extraterrestrial application, when first developing it as a power-generation technology seems so obvious?

Maybe because they and I are dunces, me for believing them, them for seriously believing that they can get fusion this way. Well, I don't know enough to judge, but if these people are willing to stake their reputations like this, I can believe, in an impressionistic way, that fusion can happen this way, and have to believe for now that the consensus of physicists can't readily prove it can't.

And maybe because businessmen are dunces; having been fleeced by fraudulent claims of cold fusion, "free energy," perpetual motion, ad nauseum, they don't know good science from bad and so no reputable capitalists who would back a straight energy generation plan are coming forward. Nor is the US government generous with money for pure scientific research. But there happens to be a pot of money currently allocated to developing advanced space drives for NASA. As advertised, it is dubious in that application, though as I said above I see room for improvement, if the basic technique works at all. Getting NASA to fund the scheme in the hopes not only of answering that question first and then having to overcome a half dozen other hurdles before it becomes useful to them is a roundabout way of getting that first question answered, but if the answer is yes then the other issues are probably solvable, and if they are not--the world will be entering an era of general prosperity based on more abundant power, and presumably the rising tide will lift even NASA's boat, and some of the other schemes they are funding right now will be affordable.

If it can't work--this is how the government is currently willing to risk taxpayer dollars to find that sort of thing out.
 
Thought of one other thing I'd like to see in the next part but it's more of a Brainbin notion: think we could get Sagan as a guest star on Star Trek (or perhaps Who) before he passes?
 
Thought of one other thing I'd like to see in the next part but it's more of a Brainbin notion: think we could get Sagan as a guest star on Star Trek (or perhaps Who) before he passes?
I talked this over with the Brainbin, and this is his summation of our discussion:

Brainbin said:
IOTL, TNG went out of their way to cast people connected to the space program, and to the interstellar sciences. They were not wanting for either, what with Dr. Mae Jemison and Stephen Hawking both appearing on that show (at different times). If Carl Sagan had ever shown the slightest desire to appear on TNG, he would have done, no doubt about it.

And TNV, especially in the Bennett years, is a much tighter-run ship than TNG, which became known for the so-called "inmates" running the proverbial asylum. If anything, Sagan appearing on TNV is a good deal less likely, under those circumstances.
In short, our conclusion is basically that given the stunt casting that TNG did IOTL, if they wanted Sagan or Sagan wanted them, he would have been on it.

Doctor Who has an even worse problem: it's flat broke and perpetually on the edge of cancellation. Paying for Sagan to come across the pond, say "billions and billions" in one episode and fly back is a novelty they can't afford--and again, likely not one Sagan would have been interested in. That lack of interest is particularly true since Who isn't really presenting an ideology of exploration that would fit Sagan, which Trek comes much closer to doing.

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On another note: After the enthusiastic response to his first set of posts, we've been working with Nixonshead on getting his models to the point where they can be canonized. I'd like to announce that we're now at a point where we have a model of Spacelab, the Block III+ Apollo, and the Aardvark which we'e going to make the new canon look of those vehicles. The models and the scenes look even better than the images I've had in my head since we designed them.

Tomorrow, nixonshead will be posting the first batch of images using these new models, and I hope getting to see Eyes like this will be as much of a treat for all of you as working on them has been for me. With that in mind, I'd just like everyone to give nixonshead's work a warm welcome, and we'll hopefully have another few rounds like this to help fill the hiatus while we work on Part III showing a few other scenes from Spacelab's history and other stuff from the TL.
 
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