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brovane

Great to hear that you guys are starting up again on this ATL and I am really looking forward to it.

I do have a question that has been bugging me about the Apollo Module 5-seat configuration.

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The addition of the extra seats would seem to be underneath the other seats.

How safe is this configuration? If you have some type of scenario where the CM comes down on land. The seats where built to stroke downward in the event of a hard landing. It never happened on ocean landings but in the event of coming down on land they where supposed to stroke down. Wouldn't the seats stroke down into the 2 astronauts underneath them? It looks really tight to me.

In the event of a emergency egress scenario wouldn't those two bottom seats be hard to get out of?

I realize that some of the storage lockers etc. would be moved out of the CM with the Mission module. However I am trying to see how 5 astronauts would fit in the CM without being on top of each other and all the potential safety issues of that configuration.
 

Workable Goblin

brovane said:
Great to hear that you guys are starting up again on this ATL and I am really looking forward to it.

I do have a question that has been bugging me about the Apollo Module 5-seat configuration.

p104_zpse6c9eeca.jpg


The addition of the extra seats would seem to be underneath the other seats.

How safe is this configuration? If you have some type of scenario where the CM comes down on land. The seats where built to stroke downward in the event of a hard landing. It never happened on ocean landings but in the event of coming down on land they where supposed to stroke down. Wouldn't the seats stroke down into the 2 astronauts underneath them? It looks really tight to me.

In the event of a emergency egress scenario wouldn't those two bottom seats be hard to get out of?

I realize that some of the storage lockers etc. would be moved out of the CM with the Mission module. However I am trying to see how 5 astronauts would fit in the CM without being on top of each other and all the potential safety issues of that configuration.
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We addressed that--the 5 seat CM is (and was), indeed, unsafe for land landings. The fix for that was to add a launch weather constraint that removes land landings as a possible abort consideration (and for downrange land landings...well, NASA accepted Shuttle's black zones...)
 

brovane

Workable Goblin said:
We addressed that--the 5 seat CM is (and was), indeed, unsafe for land landings. The fix for that was to add a launch weather constraint that removes land landings as a possible abort consideration (and for downrange land landings...well, NASA accepted Shuttle's black zones...)
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Thank you - I would assume the same thing with emergency egress that the limitation was just accepted that the bottom two astronauts would have a difficult time getting out of the capsule quickly? You do make a good point that NASA did accept that the Shuttle had certain black zones for emergencies. Was the ability for the chairs to stroke left in place if a land landing occurred? Wouldn't turn out good for the astronauts on the bottom......
 
Michel Van

Michel Van

on brovane question

Rockwell study for 6 men Apollo capsule in 1967 for Apollo logistic supply craft
in 1972 for 6-8 man Crew rescue vehicle from Space station

the 6 man configuration Rockwell engineers put the 6 seat in same shock absorbers configuration like 3 man version
For 8 men needed complete new seat layout in Capsule

source
http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=6779

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6 men configuration

8manapollo.gif

8 men configuration
 

e of pi

Pipcard said:
So when will this timeline have a comet landing?
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The first landing occured in late October, 1989 (Part II, Post 22). The Kirchhoff cometary explorer landed on Comet Tempel 2 at the termination of its primary mission. After missing the landing, it touched down gently, and transmitted for about a week before shutting down. The first designed-to-land mission was Bernard/Lewis, part of the Comet and Asteroid Pioneer Program (CAPP) around the turn of the millennium, featured here. It'll be landing sometime in Part IV.

EDIT: Ninja'd. Et tu, Goblin? :p
 

e of pi

torten said:
First timeline I ever read on AH.com
Want to see more!
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Thank you very much! :)

Part IV is very close to ready to launch, we've got one or two more posts to get into the pipeline before we're calling the buffer ready. Sadly, both Workable Goblin and I have been busier with RL over this haitus, which means we've both taken longer to write each post and wanted to get to a higher state of readiness before we launched. Still, we're just about ready to go--just dotting the Ts and crossing our eyes.
 

Bahamut-255

e of pi said:
Thank you very much! :)

Part IV is very close to ready to launch, we've got one or two more posts to get into the pipeline before we're calling the buffer ready. Sadly, both Workable Goblin and I have been busier with RL over this haitus, which means we've both taken longer to write each post and wanted to get to a higher state of readiness before we launched. Still, we're just about ready to go--just dotting the Ts and crossing our eyes.
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Nice. I've waited a long time for Part IV, so I think I can wait a few more weeks while the fine details are sorted.
 
Pipcard

Pipcard

Check out this person's (MikeB's) 3D renders of his "fictional universe called Contact Lost." (It seems to involve ancient astronauts, so there's some ASB involved)

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But did he take inspiration from ETS?

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e of pi

Athelstane said:
Perhaps in that timeline, Matt Wiser has discovered a way to successfully harness Elon Musk's ego.
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Or perhaps Elon's figured a way to harness Matt's eternal grudges--might be a more sustainable energy source. Elon's ego will eventually die, but Matt's grudge appears to last eternally.
 

Athelstane

e of pi said:
Or perhaps Elon's figured a way to harness Matt's eternal grudges--might be a more sustainable energy source.
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Only if it gets Gene Cernan's approval.

I looked again, and the glowy thing apparently is a "fusion ring." Because, in the future, all power sources glow, and glow harmlessly. Hopefully it's good for shielding cosmic radiation, too.
 

nixonshead

Bahamut-255 said:
Definitely looks like he did.
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Damn, those are some nice renders! I especially like the texture he's got on that shuttle's thermal blankets. Looks like I need to up my game :eek:

I do think that a BY attribution credit would be in order for the AARDV though. Still, sincerest form of flattery and all that :p

BTW, looks like he's got some other stuff over at the Atomic Rockets Gallery, which has a lot of other very good (and of course realistic) spacecraft images.
 
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