Extra 100 years and 500 years for native American cultures to develop?

What would the Americas look like if the existing cultures were given (a) and extra century and (b) and extra half-millennium to develop?

Do the Inka collapse? Do the Aztec unite MesoAmerica and reach the Rio Grande or Panama Isthmus? Does the Mississippian culture mature into a force in its own right or fizzle out?
 
100 Years

You need earlier POD that you can delay foundation of New World with 100 years. But Aztec Empire probably collapses due multiple rebels. Inka Empire might survive and perhaps even develope. But how is another thing. But there is still one main problem. Natives haven't resistance against European diseases and they still will cause much damage for them. And hardly Europeans are anyway much nicer for natives.

500 Years

I don't see way that you can delay foundation of New World with 500 years.
 
Lalli said:
I don't see way that you can delay foundation of New World with 500 years.

Have Vlad Dracul establishing the Dominion of the Drak(ul)a and going to conquest Eurafrasia.

:p
 
Wasn´t there a published work where New World was undiscovered to 20th century because Alexander the Great did not die of malaria and lived to old age?
 
Wasn´t there a published work where New World was undiscovered to 20th century because Alexander the Great did not die of malaria and lived to old age?

Conquistador, by S.M. Stirling. Though you never do see the Old World in that book, and the New World is discovered in 1946...by OTL Americans.
 
Precisely what is implausible about thwarting the development of long distance sailing? China gave up in 15th century... why not Europe?
 
first of all you can jump island/ land in the north. iceland, greenland, newfoundland etc

second, even before the discovery of the americas, fishermen were already fishing on the grand banks.

third, europe is not a unitary region like china, lots of countries, you could stop it in one country, but not all.



so very much a matter of time, i think giving them an extra 50 years is as best you can get. only way to prevent it is around round of a deadly plague in europe.
 
Precisely what is implausible about thwarting the development of long distance sailing? China gave up in 15th century... why not Europe?
Europe has a pattern of peninsulas and sialnds and surrounding seas that makes seafaring (with its advantages over land travel at pre-"modern" technological levels) a lot more useful than it is for China, and that also made establishing & maintaining a unified government -- which would be needed to shut down seafaring over the entire area, rather than just in one [consequently disadvantaged] section of it -- less likely.
 
first of all you can jump island/ land in the north. iceland, greenland, newfoundland etc
Yes you can, and people had been doing that for thousands of years (probably at least a thousand) but all they will find is an icywasteland.

Until someone sails down into southern north america or the carribean no one is going to care enough to go there.

second, even before the discovery of the americas, fishermen were already fishing on the grand banks.
but yet, they were fisherman and most people didn't even care about barely habitable lands 3000 miles to the west across an ocean.

Plus most just considered what they said folk lore.

third, europe is not a unitary region like china, lots of countries, you could stop it in one country, but not all.
Thats not hard to change, especially with a POD during Alexander the Great. I've never read the book, but with a POD that early anything is possible.
 

mowque

Banned
Trade will eventually demand an attempt. The Earth is round, and easily found to be so, so anyone with a lick of sense will try. That said, if we can put the POD wherever we want...massive asteroid impact/supervolcano could do it.
 
i think its more of an 'not-quite-asb' question which pushes all American evolution 100-500 years back, so where they IOTL were in 1500, they ITTL is in 1000, instead of stalling Columbus
 
Trade will eventually demand an attempt. The Earth is round, and easily found to be so, so anyone with a lick of sense will try. That said, if we can put the POD wherever we want...massive asteroid impact/supervolcano could do it.

Plus you get a bonus for discovering the world is round!

But there are ways to minorly delay exploration efforts, such as not having the Muslim/Venetian monopoly on the China/India trade be quite so stifling to Western Europeans.
 

birdboy2000

Banned
What would really make things interesting is if you somehow delay it to the founding of modern medicine and the smallpox cure, and thereby avoid the depopulation of the Americas.
 
Europe has a pattern of peninsulas and sialnds and surrounding seas that makes seafaring (with its advantages over land travel at pre-"modern" technological levels) a lot more useful than it is for China, and that also made establishing & maintaining a unified government -- which would be needed to shut down seafaring over the entire area, rather than just in one [consequently disadvantaged] section of it -- less likely.

South Asia also has a pattern of peninsulas, islands and surrounding seas. No one did establish an unified government over Thailand/Ayutthaya, Malacca, Majapahit, Burma, Sri Lanka, sundry coasts of Hindustan etc... to shut down seafaring by central fiat.

Yet neither the Malays nor the Arabs did discover the passage around Cape of Good Hope. Even when the Portuguese showed them it was possible, none of them sailed back to Atlantic... not on their own ships, and not even copies of Portuguese ships.

If something butterflies away the Europaean Renaissance, how long till the Arabs or someone else does discover Europe?
 
If something butterflies away the Europaean Renaissance, how long till the Arabs or someone else does discover Europe?

Why would they want to discover Europe, by which I assume you mean the round-Africa passage?

Europe's of limited interest and can be reached through Egypt fairly painlessly.
 
Why would they want to discover Europe, by which I assume you mean the round-Africa passage?

Europe's of limited interest and can be reached through Egypt fairly painlessly.

I think he meant America and typed Europe by mistake.
 
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