Explain the Jacobites to me please.

Ye Jacobites by name

Jacobites were not Scottish Nationalists but supporters of James 11 or England or 7th of Scotland. James was overtly Catholic unlike his brother Charles 11 who kept it a secret albeit a fairly open one. IOnce James had a Catholic heir parliament invited his son in law William of Orange over to take the crown and there was a peaceful transition in England and civil war in Ireland and Scotland. When William and Mary died Anne inherited the crown. Scotland was absorded in the Act of Union 1707 to forestall any attempt to put James on the Scottish throne when Anne died parliament asked George the elector of Hanover over and partially because he couldn't speak Englishsome english politicians went into exile including Bolinbrooke

Within a year there was a rising in support of James11nd's son James the young pretender starting in Scotland where there was more support. The rising was defeated and landowners who supported it were executed and had their lands forfeit.

A second rising was attempted in 1745 which got further but was defeated. It had little active support in England as Jacobite sympathisers were waiting to see which way the wind blew and some support in Scotland but some chiefs but one son in each camp to ensure they were on the winning side. A lot of lowland scots and the Campbell clan supported the crown and it is claimed their were more Scots on the Hanoverian side at Culloden than the Jacobites so they weren't Scotiish nationalists. Most of the clan chiefs who supported the Jacobites were Episcopalians rather than Catholics whilst mosts Scotsmen were presbyterians aned had a church without bishops

After Culloden support for the Jacobites waned and the clan system in the highlands was reformed. By the time of the Amerixcan war of Independence Jacobites sentenced to penal servitude in then Americas were Empire Loyalists. Jacobitism was dead.

Jacobites were supporters of the deposed King James Jacobus
 
Only because Scotlands the only country in Britian with a large catholic miniority.

I'm an example

Northern England too.
Which is weird to think really. The south of the island has Anglicans. Moderate protestants.
The north has catholics and crazy super protestants.
 
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Northern England too.
Which is weird to think really. The south of the island has Anglicans. Moderate protestants.
The north has catholics and crazy super protestants.

The north was missed by the Reformation and caught by Wesley et al. I simplify but if you look at rural areas where the social history has sufficient continuity this is fairly clear.
 
The north was missed by the Reformation and caught by Wesley et al. I simplify but if you look at rural areas where the social history has sufficient continuity this is fairly clear.
Equally, the north was more industrial in the mid 19th century, and attracted heavy immigration from Ireland. Particularly places like Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Middlesbrough....
 
Fletcher, betrayed?

Uh...there were THREE British armies in the south of England or rushed back from Holland and each was larger than the total Stuart forces in 1745.

Further, support for the Stuarts in England in 1745 was virtually nil while support for the Hanoverians in Scotland was powerful with perhaps as many Scots fighting for the Duke of Cumberland as against him. Also a dirty secret is that several names most closely associated with atrocities after the battle of Cullodeen have suspiciously Scottish names...
 
Fletcher, betrayed?

Uh...there were THREE British armies in the south of England or rushed back from Holland and each was larger than the total Stuart forces in 1745.

Further, support for the Stuarts in England in 1745 was virtually nil while support for the Hanoverians in Scotland was powerful with perhaps as many Scots fighting for the Duke of Cumberland as against him. Also a dirty secret is that several names most closely associated with atrocities after the battle of Cullodeen have suspiciously Scottish names...

When I was young and foolish I was a bona-fide nat. Like any self-respecting nat, I loathed Cumberland and loved The Regiments (and I still do the latter). It was a very eye-opening experience to read the Duke's OOB and see half the numbers annotated "[Now the Royal Scots Fusiliers]".
 
When I was young and foolish I was a bona-fide nat. Like any self-respecting nat, I loathed Cumberland and loved The Regiments (and I still do the latter). It was a very eye-opening experience to read the Duke's OOB and see half the numbers annotated "[Now the Royal Scots Fusiliers]".
Indeed. I read somewhere (and I don't know where the figure comes from) that more Scots fought with Cumberland than with Charles. Whether it was that much or not, it was still a fair number, and not only did most of the Lowlands remain Hanoverian in sympathy, but most of the Highlands did as well, at least by default. Duncan Forbes (of Culloden, ironically) estimated that the Highland Clans could support more than 30,000 troops. Most of these never fought for the Jacobite cause - and several thousand turned out for the government clans, Campbells, Sutherlands, Munros, and so on.
 
Or England :D I'm one. MrP's one. Half my town is one (The other half is Muslim, Sikh or Hindu ;))

I think, given the large Irish populations in Manchester, London, Newcastle and Bristol, that there are actually now proportionally more Catholics in England than in Scotland or Wales. Though I may be thinking of DoD. Again.

And, of course, Liverpool/Merseyside has the highest-proportion Catholic population in the United Kingdom. I should know, I am one of them!
 
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