Explain the AH List of Presidents or Prime Ministers

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Amadeus, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    This idea has been done before on this site, but I wanted to resurrect it just for fun. The purpose of this thread isn't to simply make a list of Presidents. Rather your challenge, should you chose to accept it, is to explain another poster's AH list of Presidents or Prime Ministers. Then you put forward your own list for others to explain. For example: one user posts a list of Presidents that includes Donald Rumsfeld as the 41st President - without any explanation of how history changed. The post includes just the list, and nothing else. Your job is to explain how that AH scenario came to be, then post your own original list.
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  2. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    As the OP, I can't explain someone else's list. But I will start the thread by posting my own:

    33. Alben W. Barkley (1945-1949), D-KY
    34. Thomas E. Dewey (1949-1957), R-NY
    35. Earl Warren (1957-1961), R-CA

    36. John F. Kennedy (1961-1963), D-MA
    37. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969), D-TX

    38. Richard Nixon (1969-1974), R-CA
    39. Gerald Ford (1974-1977), R-MI

    40. Robert F. Kennedy (1977-1981), D-MA
    41. Jimmy Carter (1981-1985), D-GA

    42. George Bush (1985-1993), R-TX
    43. Bill Clinton (1993-1998), D-AR
    44. Al Gore (1998-2001), D-TN

    45. Jeb Bush (2001-2009), R-TX
    46. Barack Obama (2009-2017), D-IL
    47. Joe Biden (2017-2021), D-DE
  3. GSD310 Well-Known Member

    Aug 27, 2017
    33. FDR picks Barkley as running mate for 1944 Elections. FDR dies as in OTL leaving Barkley to succeed.

    34. Barkley loses to Dewey in 1948.

    35. Warren completes three terms as Governor of California then runs as President in 1956.

    36-39. As in OTL but with RFK staying out of presidential politics and not being assassinated.

    40. RFK-Carter runs against Ford in ‘76 as who will look to restore trust in government after Watergate. He defeats Reagan in ‘80 and gets assassinated in March 1981.

    41. Carter succeeds RFK. Gets defeated by Bush in ‘84.

    42. Nominated by GOP as a more moderate candidate who can have more appeal to the public after Reagan’s defeat in 1980. Two termer who left with a bitter taste because of early 90s recession.

    43. Wins ‘92 Election. Ends up resigning over Lewinsky in 1998.

    44. Takes over from Clinton. Can’t shake off the fact that he was part of Clinton administration. Loses in ‘00.

    45. The hope of the Bush Family after GWB doesn’t give up drinking and ends up dying in a car accident.

    46. As in OTL.

    47. Biden beats Romney.

    One thing that I see in this list is that the GOP drifts to the right but RFK and Carter implies that Reagan’s brand of conservatism was not enough to win the White House in the timeline thus forcing the GOP to pick a more moderate candidate in 1984.
  4. GSD310 Well-Known Member

    Aug 27, 2017
    I’m going to make a list of Australian PMs:

    *Robert Menzies (Lib) 1949-1966
    *Harold Holt (Lib) 1966-1972
    *Gough Whitlam (ALP) 1972-1976
    *Bill Hayden (ALP) 1976-1982
    *Bob Hawke (ALP) 1982-1984
    *John Howard (Lib) 1984-1992
    *Paul Keating (ALP) 1992-2003
    *Peter Costello (Lib) 2003-2011
    *Julie Bishop (Lib) 2011-2015
    *Bill Shorten (ALP) 2015-now
  5. KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018
    Ooh, let's see.

    Harold Hold doesn't get abducted by the Chinese drown, and continues on as PM.
    No Dismissal, Whitlam resigns or is ousted in 1976.
    Hayden takes over as PM until '82, then is ousted or resigns.
    Hawke is PM until the 1984 election, where he loses to Howard.
    Who loses to Keating.
    Who pulls a Howard and stays on for eleven years, before losing an '03 election.
    Costello takes power in '03 and continues to 2011, where he resigns or is ousted in favour of Julie Bishop.
    Who wins re-election once, but then loses to Bill Shorten.
    Bill Shorten wins the 2018 election.

    How'd I do?
    Pretty neat, but I can't think of a list, so someone else can make one.
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  6. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    As the OP, I should mention that you don't necessarily need to explain every single entry in the list. You could just provide a general description, or talk about a possible POD and how it would impact things in the long run.
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  7. Maeglin Lómion

    Oct 15, 2014
    Holt doesn't drown, but Whitlam does. Hawke ousts Hayden due to the ALP panicking over poor polling - it doesn't do any good. Howard oversees constitutional changes that increase the maximum parliamentary term to four years.
  8. Odinson The Thunderer

    Nov 27, 2018
    The Constitutional Monarchy of Virginia
    I'm going with my specialty, U.S. presidents

    1864-1869 Abraham Lincoln
    1869-1873 Samuel J. Tilden
    1873-1877 James Garfield
    1877-1885 James Longstreet
    1885-1889 Grover Cleveland
    1889-1893 William McKinley
    1893-1897 Leonard Wood
    1897-1901 Charles W Fairbanks
    1901-1909 Theodore Roosevelt
    1909-1913 William Howard Taft
    1913-1921 Eugene V Debs
  9. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    Lincoln is never assassinated. Butterflies lead to Tilden getting elected Governor in 1866, and he wins the Presidency two years later. Ultimately, this leads to a Debs administration in the 1910's. I have to ask though, does Debs still turn into Socialist in this ATL or does he remain a Democrat?
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  10. Odinson The Thunderer

    Nov 27, 2018
    The Constitutional Monarchy of Virginia
    Also, no comment on General James Longstreet?
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  11. Pokemon Master What's it to you?

    Dec 23, 2012
    Central New Jersey
    1977-1981: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
    1981: Ronald Reagan + / George Bush (Republican)
    1981-1985: George Bush / Paul Laxalt (Republican)
    1985-1993: Gary Hart / John Glenn (Democratic)

    1993-1997: John Glenn / Frtiz Hollings (Democratic)
    1997-2005: Arlen Specter / John Danforth (Republican)
    2005-2013: Maria Cantwell / Chris Dodd (Democratic)
    2013-????: Bob Inglis / Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
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  12. Odinson The Thunderer

    Nov 27, 2018
    The Constitutional Monarchy of Virginia
    Regan is assassinated by John Hinckley jr.
    GHW Bush, while moderately popular, is chosen not to be the Republican candidates of the 1980 election. Instead, Bob Dole is ran and Bush runs as an independent. This splits the vote, allowing the Dems to take the white house. Democrats allow the economy to stagnate, causing a Republican victory in 2012 election.
  13. VoidTemplar Travelling through Dimensions

    Feb 10, 2018
    Equis Vitis
    1963-1969 Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
    1969-1973 Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
    1973-1981 Ronald Reagan (Republican)
    1981-1989 Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic)
    1989-1997 Lowelll Weicker (Republican)
    1997-2001 John Kerry (Democratic)
    2001-2009 John Kasich (Republican)
    2008-2016 Sherrod Brown (Democratic)
    2016-present Amy Klobuchar (Democratic
  14. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    Longstreet would be interesting, as he was a Southerner who supported Reconstruction.
  15. Amadeus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2017
    RFK lives and his work for the Democrats on the campaign trail allows HHH to defeat Nixon.

    Interesting that every President from 1981 to 2001 is from New England.
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  16. AltHispano It's worth dreaming / Vale la pena soñar

    Sep 13, 2018
    * 1982-1988: Miguel de la Madrid (PRI)
    * 1988-1994: Cuauhtemoc Cárdenas Solorzano (FDN/PARM)
    * 1994-2000: Roberto Robles Garnica (PRD)
    * 2000-2006: Porfirio Muñoz Ledo (PRD)
    * 2006-2012: Andrés Manuel López Obrador (PRD)
    * 2012-2018: Alejandro Encinas (PRD)
    * 2018-present: Marcelo Ebrard (PRD)
  17. Lord Arthur Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2017
    This sub has an interesting premise. I think I'll lurk for a little while.
  18. Odinson The Thunderer

    Nov 27, 2018
    The Constitutional Monarchy of Virginia
    The Industrial party loses the electiom of 1987, ending their dnomination of Mexican politics.
  19. Odinson The Thunderer

    Nov 27, 2018
    The Constitutional Monarchy of Virginia
    1789-1797 George Washington (independent) 1st
    1787-1801 John Adams (federalist) 2nd
    1801-1809 Thomas Jefferson (DemRep)3rd
    1809-1817 James Madison (DemRep) 4th
    1817-1825 DeWitt Clinton (Federalist) 5th
    1825-1827 Rufus King (Federalist) 6th
    1827-1829 Timothy Pickering (Federalist) 7th
    1829-1837 Sam Houston (Democrat) 8th
    1837-1841 Davy Crockett (Democrat) 9th
    1841-1848 John Quincy Adams (Liberty) 10th
    1848-1852 Daniel Webster (Liberty) 11th
    1852-1853 Millard Fillmore (Liberty) 12th
    1853- Jefferson Davis (Democrat) 13th

    (I hope it's fine that I used the list from my timeline)
  20. Lord Arthur Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2017
    1952-1956: Robert A. Taft
    1956-1964: Adlai Stevenson II
    1964-1972: Joseph S. Clark Jr
    1972-1980: Shirley Chisholm

    1980-1988: George H. W. Bush
    1988-1996: Bill Clinton
    1996-2004: Al Gore

    2004-2008: John McCain
    2008-2016: Hillary Clinton
    2016-present: Ted Cruz