Expanded Universe of the "Back in the USSR" - Development of a CP victory scenario

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Billy Joel "A Matter of Trust - The Bridge to Russia" (1987)​

During the Cold War, rock music was censored in the Imperial Bloc countries because it was not seen as a part of Anglo-Germanic culture. In the late 1980s, German leader Gerhard Frey implemented Öffentlichkeit - the German policy of managed openness towards the Socialist Bloc - and the Imperial government invited Billy Joel (Билли Джоэл) - Soviet-born American singer, composer and pianist - to perform in Imperial Germany in 1986. Joel, a history enthusiast, took advantage of this opportunity knowing that this would impact the history of the Cold War. His tour through Germany consisted of six shows - three in Berlin and three in Munich. Each time the song was performed, he dedicated the song to Adolf Schmidt because he was an inspirational German man who "spoke the truth."

Up until the 1980s, German governments have tried to limit western influences. The imperial concept of authoritative democracy introduced during the Revolutionary Wars was a stark contrast when compared to the direct democracy of syndicalist nations of the West or the Soviet democracy. Since the end of the Weltkrieg, emperors of Germany actively used right-wing populism, anti-communism and national conservatism to promote traditional values. As time passed, more and more regulations were implemented - and the more countries joined the Soviet-American alliance, the stronger was censorship in the German state. Many historians traced the German rejection of the rock music to the late 1920s and 1930s. During failure of free market deregulation caused by the 1928's and 1936's stock exchange crashes in Berlin, socialism was associated with a radical social liberalism (divorces, abortion, feminism, desegregation, extramarital sexual relationships) and a liberalization of arts (appearance of the Soviet science fiction, American jazz, acceptance of nudity in arts). Implementation of national capitalist practices enforced rejection of all things deemed as too socialist. New German man had to be serious, hard-working man in the massive collective united under the guiding hand of Kaiser supported by the Reichstag, elected by the responsible people in technocratic suffrage while a New German woman was meant to be full-time housekeeper and mother raising patriotic and nationalist-minded children. In German elections, voters were divided into three camps - higher - those with higher education and wealthy businessmen had the greatest influence. Middle camp of voters was composed of adults over 30, with a clean criminal record (those who were never arrested for anti-government demonstrations or strikes) and a secondary education. Lower strata were composed by the people over 21 and those who did participate in any anti-German behaviour. In the new German state, there was no room for "all-time loud and provocative" distractions. As long as the government provided stabilization and economic development of the consumer goods industry, the majority of people were either supportive or at least were quiet about their political views while fearing socialist influence on their children.

Since the late 1920s Lebensborn - the Fountain of Life was organized as a semi-governmental institution promoting usage of selective breeding to create stronger and healthier offspring. For a small payment (or no payment at all if you were deemed as a true Germanic) you could gain advice on finding a suitable wife or a good husband. And if you had a child out of wedlock deemed to be true Germanic, you could leave him/her there. Accelerating nationalism often clashed with rebellious youth - disillusioned with a failed economy, massive military spending and frozen political system of "old men", they often challenged Imperial policies. Soviet radio station "Radio Free Europe - Germany" broadcasted newest top songs that terrified parents, described "socialist paradise" of government created by the masses, told them that women were after all equal to men while Africans were the same people as Germans.

On 1981, first cracks began to be showing in the German sphere of influence. Poland had held a national referendum on the political future of the state. Poles, dissatisfied with the royal policies since the 1940s (when their country became increasingly depending on the German state) voted 67% to 33% to abolish the monarchy, end the authoritative monarchy system and create a democratic republic with universal suffrage. Provisional Government lifted the ban on communist, socialist, syndicalist and anarchist political parties, lowered the voting age to 18 and established diplomatic contacts with the Polish-Soviet Socialist Republic. For the first time in the history of a Cold War, the Iron Curtain was lifted between two countries. German reaction was swift and brutal - for the failure in keeping Europe away from the red menace, Imperial Army's garrisons in Poland began the march on Warsaw. The government ensured that any defeat will be costly for invaders - The Polish state dispersed thousands of rifles, anti-tank rocket propelled grenades, and petrol igniters (Bosnian cocktails) to the population of greater cities and the countryside. Committee for Defence of State dug trenches around Łódź and Warsaw, preparing for a battle. As a result, the German advance stalled. Since the Rheinsberg Nuclear Power Plant Catastrophe, military spendings were reverted for the clean-up, causing soldiers to less trained, less experienced and less equipped. During war, 12,000 Poles died, more than 100,000 were wounded, and major cities were heavily damaged by the German Air Force. As time passed, more and more German soldiers were killed. Those who survived were left with a heavy task of occupation directed against a hostile nation of 30 million people. the Kingdom of Poland was restored two years later, on January 14, 1983.

Impending economic and political crisis enforced a change of leadership in the German Empire. Gerhard Frey (1933-2013) became the youngest Prime Minister in the modern German history at the day of his inauguration on March 11, 1986, being only 53. He used Öffentlichkeit as a political slogan to limit censorship, liberalize arts, put in place more aspects of direct democracy with the "Umstrukturierung" as the economic restructurization of the economy - implementation of computerized control over state-owned enterprises, limiting bureaucratic waste, the introduction of a semi-democratic control over factories. To show preparedness of Imperial Germany to join the international community as a truly free state, Frey invited popular singer Billy Joel to perform there. Documentary film - "A Matter of Trust - Bridge to Germany" (also known as "A Matter of Trust - Bridge to Russia") containing parts of Joel's performance, his meetings with the younger generation of Germans and interviews was released six months later in a Soviet TV.
 
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Event: Rheinsberg Nuclear Power Plant Disaster (1979)
After the horrors of the Great War and the Revolutionary Period of economic upheavals, Germany experienced rapid growth of technology. German scientists researched the nuclear power, leading to the construction of the first reactor in the world - Barbarossa 1 which went online on February 13, 1942, to produce energy for the Experimental Fulda Power Plant where it exceeded initial efficiency. Barbarossa's success had caused the government to create the State Commission for Atomic Development to pursue the goal of making Germany fully dependent on nuclear energy to relieve relatively inefficient, old coal plants. Research done by the Commission has led to the construction of a first commercial nuclear power plant - located in Munich - by the Hitler's Technology Conglomerate. Since then (1949), the Imperial government employed Hitler and other corporations to construct 39 reactors and elevate Germany to the position of the largest producer of atomic energy.
Early nuclear power plants built by Hitler's Technology Conglomerate consisted of four reactors, each capable of producing 1,000 megawatts of electrical power. Construction of the plant with a small "Atomic City" to house workers and their families began in 1959, with Reactor Number 1 commissioned in 1966 followed by Reactor Number 2 on 1969, Reactor Number 3 on 1971, Reactor Number 4 on 1973, Reactor Number 5 in 1975, Reactor Number 6 in 1977, Reactor Number 7 in 1979. The power plant was connected to the 330 kV and 750 kV electrical grid. It was Reactor Number 6 that created serious problems on September 1, 1979, when the disaster began, caused by a catastrophic power increase resulting in core explosions and open-air fires. Large quantities of radioactive materials and airborne isotopes were dispersed in the atmosphere and surrounding land, completely destroying reactor and polluting neighbourhood. As a result, large areas of Europe were affected, including the capital city
of the German Empire.

Things escalated quickly when the Imperial family was evacuated from Berlin, leading to widespread panic among people inhabiting the city. Some people, especially those of far left-wing views or those believing in conspiracy theories feared that the ruling class flees because the situation is worse than told in the state TV and all is already lost. State of emergency was imposed for the north-east of the Empire during the first days after the disaster. Similar developments were seen in German satellite states and allies. Poland was the first one to react - even before Germans admitted to the scale of catastrophe or even began to react, Prime Minister of Poland Wojciech Jaruzelski imposed martial law, evacuated western parts of the country and distributed Lugol's iodine to the civilian population fearing that the worst happened and the large swaths of the continent will be directly or indirectly affected. Secret evacuation undertaken by the German government was revealed when radiation levels set off alarms at the Białystok Nuclear Power Plant in the Polish-Soviet Socialist Republic. Soviet authorities approached the German government to determine whether there had been a nuclear accident in the Empire of Germany. German government initially denied it but revealed the truth when Soviets established a state of emergency in their Western territories and mobilized local forces.
While none of the apocalyptic scenarios became truth, the effects were still very serious. Central Europe received substantial amounts of radiation exposure after the Rheinsberg disaster in 1986, but prior to the disaster, the number of children affected by thyroid cancer was relatively low globally. Research has shown after the Rheinsberg disaster the level of thyroid cancer, particularly in children near the radiation exposure, has abnormally increased. A sevenfold increase in DNA mutations has been identified in children of liquidators conceived after the accident when compared to their siblings that were conceived before. The workers involved in the recovery and clean up after the disaster received high doses of radiation. Between 300,000 and 600,000 people were involved in the cleanup of the 30 km evacuation zone around the reactor. Contamination from the Rheinsberg disaster was not evenly spread across the surrounding countryside but scattered irregularly depending on weather conditions. Reports from German and Soviet scientists indicate that Central Germany received about 60% of the contamination, with most of the remaining particles distributed in Western directions. But the most visible and the most horrible effect of the nuclear disaster would haunt the German population during the lifetime of the next generation. A huge amount of people living in the affected territories and inefficiency of evacuation have caused appearances of birth defects among human children. Some conservative supporters of Lebensborn selective breeding were horrified when they realized that even Lebensborners were giving births of genetically mutated children, which meant a total failure of the program to breed the new eugenic designed race. Similar developments crushed the related Scandinavian eugenic program that was already at its last legs by the end of the 1970s. Even worse
issues were discovered ten years later by the Soviet scientists - some of the birth defects were, in fact, inheritable and could be passed into the next generations. It is unclear whether the number of appearances of these defects would be increasingly smaller in newer generations. Over 250,000 abortions had been performed- most of them in the Soviet Union and Italy where abortion on demand was legal or the Balkan countries where the government did not really cared for
enforcing the anti-abortion laws after the disaster and allowed
them despite outcry from both the Church and pro-life activists. In Germany however, abortions remained
illegal. Thousands of abortion still occurred illegally - in some cases, police arrested fifty women and four doctors in one clinic only, sparking outrage among the population of the Socialist Bloc. In the Soviet Union, free abortion was offered to non-Soviet citizens by the National Emergency Act of the Polish Soviet Socialist Republic as it was easier to cross the Polish-Polish border due to the animosity of guards on both sides towards the regime in Berlin. Four years after the incident, Soviet government sued on behalf of its citizens, the Imperial government for artificially damaging human health, demanding a change in the German law that would enable private persons to sue the government for their cancers, mutations of their children or material losses due to radiation. In total the German Empire lost 30 billion Marks for the clean-up, virtually bankrupting itself and forcing the government to cut down industrial subsidies, reduce production of the consumer goods and even reduce military spendings. Reduction to military spendings was later reversed due to the renewed arms race initiated by the President of the United States, Ronald Reagan who wanted to force Germans to either liberalize or collapse due to severe economic depression.
 
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I see no reason why a victorious Germany would leave the Soviets in power. Let alone let them split Poland.

Or that a curtailed Soviets would somehow end up non-totalitarian and better off than Germany. Germany a highly industrialised, educated nation with a fairly free political system, and both overseas colonies and a network of buffer states. Vs revolutionaries feuding over the bombed-out ruins of Russia, which was still a largely agrarian state with little experience with democracy.

Nor a victorious Germany ending up being Nazi's with the edges trimmed off. Or that Germany would have a Chernobyl accident. Chernobyl took massive levels of negligence to cause.


Research has shown after the Chernobyl disaster the level of thyroid cancer, particularly in children near the radiation exposure, has abnormally increased. A sevenfold increase in DNA mutations has been identified in children of liquidators conceived after the accident when compared to their siblings that were conceived before. The workers involved in the recovery and clean up after the disaster received high doses of radiation. Between 300,000 and 600,000 people were involved in the cleanup of the 30 km evacuation zone around the reactor. Contamination from the Chernobyl disaster was not evenly spread across the surrounding countryside but scattered irregularly depending on weather conditions.

Did you accidentally type Chernobyl when you mean Rheinsberg?

I noticed you use 'The' wrong often, both in terms of not using it in some cases or using in cases where it isn't needed. That is the most common error I saw, but you do also have some other minor grammar errors. It is quite easy to mess up. I've corrected the ones I noticed.

I've also made some changes to words to make sentences flow better. I marked most additions in Bold, but I missed where I made some.

I've still likely missed some and might have created some of my own mistakes.


Billy Joel "A Matter of Trust - The Bridge to Russia" (1987)​

During the Cold War, rock music was censored in the Imperial Bloc countries because it was not seen as a part of Anglo-Germanic culture. In the late 1980s, German leader Gerhard Frey implemented Öffentlichkeit - the German policy of managed openness towards the Socialist Bloc - and the Imperial government invited Billy Joel (Билли Джоэл) - Soviet-born American singer, composer and pianist - to perform in Imperial Germany in 1986. Joel, a history enthusiast, took advantage of this opportunity knowing that this would impact the history of the Cold War. His tour through Germany consisted of six shows - three in Berlin and three in Munich. Each time the song was performed, he dedicated the song to Adolf Schmidt because he was an inspirational German man who "spoke the truth."

Up until the 1980s, German governments have tried to limit western influences. The imperial concept of authoritative democracy introduced during the Revolutionary Wars was a stark contrast when compared to the direct democracy of syndicalist nations of the West or the Soviet democracy. Since the end of the Weltkrieg, emperors of Germany actively used right-wing populism, anti-communism and national conservatism to promote traditional values. As time passed, more and more regulations were implemented - and the more countries joined the Soviet-American alliance, the stronger was censorship in the German state. Many historians traced the German rejection of the rock music to the late 1920s and 1930s. During failure of free market deregulation caused by the 1928's and 1936's stock exchange crashes in Berlin, socialism was associated with a radical social liberalism (divorces, abortion, feminism, desegregation, extramarital sexual relationships) and a liberalization of arts (appearance of the Soviet science fiction, American jazz, acceptance of nudity in arts). Implementation of national capitalist practices enforced rejection of all things deemed as too socialist. New German man had to be serious, hard-working man in the massive collective united under the guiding hand of Kaiser supported by the Reichstag, elected by the responsible people in technocratic suffrage while a New German woman was meant to be full-time housekeeper and mother raising patriotic and nationalist-minded children. In German elections, voters were divided into three camps - higher - those with higher education and wealthy businessmen had the greatest influence. Middle camp of voters was composed of adults over 30, with a clean criminal record (those who were never arrested for anti-government demonstrations or strikes) and a secondary education. Lower strata were composed by the people over 21 and those who did participate in any anti-German behaviour. In the new German state, there was no room for "all-time loud and provocative" distractions. As long as the government provided stabilization and economic development of the consumer goods industry, the majority of people were either supportive or at least were quiet about their political views while fearing socialist influence on their children.

Since the late 1920s Lebensborn - the Fountain of Life was organized as a semi-governmental institution promoting usage of selective breeding to create stronger and healthier offspring. For a small payment (or no payment at all if you were deemed as a true Germanic) you could gain advice on finding a suitable wife or a good husband. And if you had a child out of wedlock deemed to be true Germanic, you could leave him/her there. Accelerating nationalism often clashed with rebellious youth - disillusioned with a failed economy, massive military spending and frozen political system of "old men", they often challenged Imperial policies. Soviet radio station "Radio Free Europe - Germany" broadcasted newest top songs that terrified parents, described "socialist paradise" of government created by the masses, told them that women were after all equal to men while Africans were the same people as Germans.

On 1981, first cracks began to be showing in the German sphere of influence. Poland, a country located in Central Europe (do we need geographic information on Poland?) had held a national referendum on the political future of the state. Poles, dissatisfied with the royal policies since the 1940s (when their country became increasingly depending on the German state) voted 67% to 33% to abolish the monarchy, end the authoritative monarchy system and create a democratic republic with universal suffrage. Provisional Government lifted the ban on communist, socialist, syndicalist and anarchist political parties, lowered the voting age to 18 and established diplomatic contacts with the Polish-Soviet Socialist Republic. For the first time in the history of a Cold War, the Iron Curtain was lifted between two countries. German reaction was swift and brutal - for the failure in keeping Europe away from the red menace, Imperial Army's garrisons in Poland began the march on Warsaw. The government ensured that any defeat will be costly for invaders - The Polish state dispersed thousands of easy-to-use (Possibly irrelevant) rifles, tens thousands of pieces of ammunition (Needed? I'm sure ammo would be a given. Perhaps mention something like anti Tank weaponry like an alt-verse RPG) to the population of greater cities and the countryside. Committee for Defence of Motherland dug trenches around Łódź and Warsaw, preparing for a battle. As a result, the German advance stalled. Since the Rheinsberg Nuclear Power Plant Catastrophe, military spendings were reverted for the clean-up, causing soldiers to less trained, less experienced and less equipped. As a result of the invasion, 12,000 Poles died, more than 100,000 were wounded, and major cities were heavily damaged by the German Air Force. As time passed, more and more German soldiers were killed. Those who survived were left with a heavy task of occupation directed against a hostile nation of 30 million people. the Kingdom of Poland was restored two years later, on January 14, 1983.

Impending economic and political crisis enforced a change of leadership in the German Empire. Gerhard Frey (1933-2013) became the youngest Prime Minister in the modern German history at the day of his inauguration on March 11, 1986, being only 53. He used Öffentlichkeit as a political slogan to limit censorship, liberalize arts, put in place more aspects of direct democracy with the "Umstrukturierung" as the economic restructurization of the economy - implementation of computerized control over state-owned enterprises, limiting bureaucratic waste, the introduction of a semi-democratic control over factories. To show preparedness of Imperial Germany to join the international community as a truly free state, Frey invited popular singer Billy Joel to perform there. Documentary film - "A Matter of Trust - Bridge to Germany" (also known as "A Matter of Trust - Bridge to Russia") containing parts of Joel's performance, his meetings with the younger generation of Germans and interviews was released six months later in a Soviet TV.




Event: Rheinsberg Nuclear Power Plant Disaster (1979)
After the horrors of the Great War and the Revolutionary Period of economic upheavals, Germany experienced rapid growth of technology. German scientists researched the nuclear power, leading to the construction of the first reactor in the world - Barbarossa 1 which went online on February 13, 1942, to produce energy for the Experimental Fulda Power Plant where it exceeded initial efficiency. Barbarossa's success had caused the government to create the State Commission for Atomic Development to pursue the goal of making Germany fully dependent on nuclear energy to relieve relatively inefficient, old coal plants. Research done by the Commission has led to the construction of a first commercial nuclear power plant - located in Munich - by the Hitler's Technology Conglomerate. Since then (1949), the Imperial government employed Hitler and other corporations to construct 39 reactors and elevate Germany to the position of the largest producer of atomic energy.

Early nuclear power plants built by Hitler's Technology Conglomerate consisted of four reactors, each capable of producing 1,000 megawatts of electrical power. Construction of the plant with a small "Atomic City" to house workers and their families began in 1959, with Reactor Number 1 commissioned in 1966 followed by Reactor Number 2 on 1969, Reactor Number 3 on 1971, Reactor Number 4 on 1973, Reactor Number 5 in 1975, Reactor Number 6 in 1977, Reactor Number 7 in 1979. The power plant was connected to the 330 kV and 750 kV electrical grid. It was Reactor Number 6 that created serious problems on September 1, 1979, when the disaster began, caused by a catastrophic power increase resulting in core explosions and open-air fires. Large quantities of radioactive materials and airborne isotopes were dispersed in the atmosphere and surrounding land, completely destroying reactor and polluting neighbourhood. As a result, large areas of Europe were affected, including the capital city of the German Empire (I think we would know which capital it was), Berlin.

Things escalated quickly when the Imperial family was evacuated from Berlin, leading to widespread panic among people inhabiting the city. Some people, especially those of far left-wing views or those believing in conspiracy theories feared that the ruling class flees because the situation is worse than told in the state TV and all is already lost. State of emergency was imposed for the north-east of the Empire during the first days after the disaster. Similar developments were seen in German satellite states and allies. Poland was the first one to react - even before Germans admitted to the scale of catastrophe or even began to react, Prime Minister of Poland Wojciech Jaruzelski imposed martial law, evacuated western parts of the country and distributed Lugol's iodine to the civilian population fearing that the worst happened and the large swaths of the continent will be directly or indirectly affected. Secret evacuation undertaken by the German government was revealed when radiation levels set off alarms at the Białystok Nuclear Power Plant in the Polish-Soviet Socialist Republic. Soviet authorities approached the German government to determine whether there had been a nuclear accident in the Empire of Germany. German government initially denied it but revealed the truth when Soviets established a state of emergency in their Western territories and mobilized local forces.

While none of the apocalyptic scenarios became truth, the effects were still very serious. Central Europe received substantial amounts of radiation exposure after the Rheinsberg disaster in 1986, but prior to the disaster, the number of children affected by thyroid cancer was relatively low globally. Research has shown after the Chernobyl disaster the level of thyroid cancer, particularly in children near the radiation exposure, has abnormally increased. A sevenfold increase in DNA mutations has been identified in children of liquidators conceived after the accident when compared to their siblings that were conceived before. The workers involved in the recovery and clean up after the disaster received high doses of radiation. Between 300,000 and 600,000 people were involved in the cleanup of the 30 km evacuation zone around the reactor. Contamination from the Chernobyl disaster was not evenly spread across the surrounding countryside but scattered irregularly depending on weather conditions. Reports from German and Soviet scientists indicate that Central Germany received about 60% of the contamination, with most of the remaining particles distributed in Western directions. But the most visible and the most horrible effect of the nuclear disaster would haunt the German population during the lifetime of the next generation. A huge amount of people living in the affected territories and inefficiency of evacuation have caused appearances of birth defects among human children. Some conservative supporters of Lebensborn selective breeding were horrified when they realized that even Lebensborners were giving births of genetically mutated children, which meant a total failure of the program to breed the new eugenic designed race. Similar developments crushed the related Scandinavian eugenic program that was already at its last legs by the end of the 1970s. Even worse issues were discovered ten years later by the Soviet scientists - some of the birth defects were, in fact, inheritable and could be passed into the next generations. It is unclear whether the number of appearances of these defects would be increasingly smaller in newer generations. Over 250,000 abortions had been performed- most of them in the Soviet Union and Italy where abortion on demand was legal or the Balkan countries where the government did not really cared for enforcing the anti-abortion laws after the disaster and allowed them despite outcry from both the Church and pro-life activists. In Germany however, abortions remained illegal. Thousands of abortion still occurred illegally - in some cases, police arrested fifty women and four doctors in one clinic only, sparking outrage among the population of the Socialist Bloc. In the Soviet Union, free abortion was offered to non-Soviet citizens by the National Emergency Act of the Polish Soviet Socialist Republic as it was easier to cross the Polish-Polish border due to the animosity of guards on both sides towards the regime in Berlin. Four years after the incident, Soviet government sued on behalf of its citizens, the Imperial government for artificially damaging human health, demanding a change in the German law that would enable private persons to sue the government for their cancers, mutations of their children or material losses due to radiation. In total the German Empire lost 30 billion Marks for the clean-up, virtually bankrupting itself and forcing the government to cut down industrial subsidies, reduce production of the consumer goods and even reduce military spendings. Reduction to military spendings was later reversed due to the renewed arms race initiated by the President of the United States, Ronald Reagan who wanted to force Germans to either liberalize or collapse due to severe economic depression.
 
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A victorious Germany would still be exhausted and on the edge of revolution. It's no position to start another war so soon.
This. The idea that the Germans would have intervened against the Soviets is a dumb meme spread by Kaiserreich. In reality they were perfectly fine with leaving them alone because they felt that the Soviets were no threat.
 
A victorious Germany would still be exhausted and on the edge of revolution. It's no position to start another war so soon.

France and Britain had the same issues and still sent expeditionary forces and supplies, even though they have the least to lose by Soviet victory and are quite far from its heartland. They did pack it in fairly quick, but that wasn't because they couldn't spare the few troops they sent. It was not having any clear aims. They had enough troops to go secure their territorial gains. You are proposing France and Britain gaining Syria and Arabia in the peace, and then not bothering to enforce their own claim.

Germany is right on the border with the Soviet core. A victorious Soviet threatens all their gains and threatens direct invasion of Germany, But Germany is also in the best position to solve the Soviets. The allied interventions were peripheral campaigns. The far South, the far North or the Far East. The Soviet core strength was in the populated western core of cities and industry. The Germans can strike straight into the heartland. Once that is accomplished, the Soviets are done. Their interior lines would be broken, so they can't shift focus against each new threat. Their industry would be broken.

Even if they don't want that, they can arm and train White Russian armies with easy. Plenty of war surplus, easy lines of communication, protected territory to let them retreat to and German armies guarding their new conquests can launch limited campaigns to clear the way. The Ottomans could keep the Soviets blockaded in the Black Sea, while Germany covers the White and Baltic. Japan has a free hand to do whatever they want in the Far East, but even if they are friendly, the Soviets still have to secure the entire Trans Siberian which is a very inefficient artery of trade if they can do that. Even a victorious Soviet would wither on the vine, unable to grow its basic, war-damaged industry with foreign export. Germany and co could with near impunity carve off more.

This. The idea that the Germans would have intervened against the Soviets is a dumb meme spread by Kaiserreich. In reality they were perfectly fine with leaving them alone because they felt that the Soviets were no threat.

Soviets in Poland are a threat. Which apparently happened in this TL.
 
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Germany is right on the border with the Soviet core. A victorious Soviet threatens all their gains and threatens direct invasion of Germany, But Germany is also in the best position to solve the Soviets.
Any intervention is going to be a political nightmare as the population is feed up with years of war at this point. How many years or months is it going to take for the Russian intervention to be over with ?

Even if they don't want that, they can arm and train White Russian armies with easy. Plenty of war surplus, easy lines of communication, protected territory to let them retreat to
Whites had all this in otl and still failed, not to mention the whites weren't a united faction
 
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Any intervention is going to be a political nightmare as the population is feed up with years of war at this point. How many years or months is it going to take for the Russian intervention to be over with ?

Whites had all this in otl and still failed, not to mention the whites weren't a united faction

The allies barely did anything to help the Whites. The largest national contribution by any intervening power was Japan with 70,000. Germany could supply more than all the OTL forces without any noticeable strain. Prewar they had an army of 700,000 men. Nor are they the only power involved. Austro-Hungary, Balkan allies like Bulgaria, the Ottomans and whatever forces they can get out of the Brest Litvosk territories. Japan would almost certainly maintain their OTL campaign. Germany wouldn't stop them and would likely encourage them to take whatever they want out of it.

The allies weren't in Russia to stop Communism. Local generals decided that. It was trying to reopen a front against Germany, get the Czech Legion out or prying regions from Russia, in Japan's case. Before the Soviets made peace, the allies were sometimes helping the Red forces. They only switched to the Whites fully when the Soviets made peace and defaulted on foreign debt. By late 1918/1919, World War 1 was done so the impetus to stay was gone. The actual anti-Bolshevik war effort by the allies was the Generals on the ground picking whites to back and fighting the Soviets largely on their own initiative. It wasn't ordered from home, who didn't want a fight now all the issues were solved. It was a personal crusade. As soon as the Whites got reversed, they decided to pack it in. The French briefly tried to carve out a territory that would pay back the vast debts owed, but they stopped that fairly quick. None of that was a safe territory to hunker down.

Germany can't let any Russian power take control and come back for round Two. They particularly won't let Revolutionaries who have no respect for borders have a free hand.

Like I said before it was peripheral regions. The region that would win the Civil war is the St Petersburg - Moscow core region. The whites came close, but never really penetrated into the core regions enough.

Here Germany is literally on the door of St Petersburg, through Finland and the Baltic States. They could shell the city with near impunity, and encircle it with a short campaign. Instead of hugging a few ports, they control the Ukraine. They actually have a border to project a force from, instead of sea routes. None of this requires a World War 1 strength mobilisation. Just using forces that could be considered peacetime level baseline.

But fine, lets say Germany lets the civil war play out. Why are the Soviets in Poland? The Soviets couldn't even beat Poland, let alone the victorious Central Powers.

Why are the Soviets a major power, and Germany, a seemingly failing Power? The Soviet Union in OTL had more territory, more favourable conditions and a friendly Germany willing to trade industry and training. Even then they were industrially behind Nazi Germany, a formerly defeated power run by a inefficient Fascist dictatorship. Post victory WW1 Germany has none of those disadvantages. It won't be paying reparations, sucking capital from it economy. It will be receiving it. It hasn't lost parents, trade secrets, owed debts and trade deals. It has Africa and MittleEurope. It has the Ottomans friendly, so a ready source of oil to begin a proper transfer to Petro industry, instead of a half hearted one.
 
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This. The idea that the Germans would have intervened against the Soviets is a dumb meme spread by Kaiserreich. In reality they were perfectly fine with leaving them alone because they felt that the Soviets were no threat.
The idea has been around in alternate history circles far longer than Kaiserreich has even existed. It's in no way the origin of it.
 
I see no reason why a victorious Germany would leave the Soviets in power. Let alone let them split Poland.

Or that a curtailed Soviets would somehow end up non-totalitarian and better off than Germany. Germany a highly industrialised, educated nation with a fairly free political system, and both overseas colonies and a network of buffer states. Vs revolutionaries feuding over the bombed-out ruins of Russia, which was still a largely agrarian state with little experience with democracy.

Nor a victorious Germany ending up being Nazi's with the edges trimmed off. Or that Germany would have a Chernobyl accident. Chernobyl took massive levels of negligence



Did you accidentally type Chernobyl when you mean Rheinsberg?

I noticed you use 'The' wrong often, both in terms of not using it in some cases or using in cases where it isn't needed. That is the most common error I saw, but you do also have some other minor grammar errors. It is quite easy to mess up. I've corrected the ones I noticed.

I am not hiding that mine English is bad. It is nice from you that you decided to correct some of my mistakes - I really appreciate that. Problem with appearing Chernobyl originated from mine style of writing this chapter - parts that describe the scientific depiction of disaster were taken from Wikipedia's article on Chernobyl's disaster and then rewritten - that's why it is so similar. Everything else are mine ideas - Lebensborn, eugenics and birth defects. In OTL, that "highly industrialised, educated nation with a fairly free political system" voted (42%) for the National Socialists - antisemitic, Nordic occultists that made probably the worst horrors ever seen on Earth. ATL they experienced longer warfare (Russia made peace in 1917, France on 1919, Great Britain withdrew from war in 1920 while the United States never entered). The Soviet Russia ended their involvement earlier, on December 1917 before Germans could reach Ukraine or Baltic states beyond Dvina river, enforced more effective crackdown earlier (by not allowing some OTL White generals to escape from their prisons after October Revolution). In the end, they lost only Poland (German-Austrian condominium), Lithuania and Courland, Kars and Armenia to Ottomans. Due to lack of Stalin and his branch totalitarianism, less people died, country performed more gradual and less shocking industrialization and enacted political system resembling mix of OTL Russia and GDR - there are satellite parties dependent on the CPSU and some disorganized opposition unable to seize power in a state.

During 1930s United States became socialist. I imagined some sort of Hitler's rise to power - election of New Deal Democrat who then appoints a socialist in his cabinet, dies (Floyd Olson could die due to cancer), coup against Democratic-Socialist happens (Business Plot nearly happened OTL) and after that Socialist Party wins presidential election, imposes martial law and begins campaign against their right-wing opponents. Electoral College is abolished, Congress is united under unicameral General Congress of the United States elected in a single mandate districts. After America recovers from economic depression, they strenghten Soviets, syndicalist Italy, socialist China and India to oppose German influences. Seeing failure of laissez faire economics, Imperial Germany turns towards interventionism and then state capitalism - composed from great corporations guided by the state. Ongoing arms race against USA and USSR and rising nationalism in colonies forces government to shift focus towards military industry and cut down spendings on other things.

Until late 1970s, Germany is prosperous, technologically advanced nation with slowly growing problem of corruption. When Soviets' and Americans' combined industrial potential overtake them, problems begin to multiply.
 
The allies weren't in Russia to stop Communism. Local generals decided that. It was trying to reopen a front against Germany, get the Czech Legion out or prying regions from Russia, in Japan's case. Before the Soviets made peace, the allies were sometimes helping the Red forces. They only switched to the Whites fully when the Soviets made peace and defaulted on foreign debt. By late 1918/1919, World War 1 was done so the impetus to stay was gone. The actual anti-Bolshevik war effort by the allies was the Generals on the ground picking whites to back and fighting the Soviets largely on their own initiative.
It is hard to believe - from the very beginning the Bolsheviks declared themselves an anti-military party, which would support anti-military actions abroad. Moreover, right after the revolution, Lenin proposed to end the hostilities and preserve the prewar borders in Western Europe. Only Germany responded. The fighting did not end, but the Soviet Republic was in a state of peaceful negotiations. So the Entente clearly occupied Arkhangelsk not to help the Young Republic of Soviets.
 
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Event: Italian Revolution of 1918/1919

"Red Days" was a period of intense social conflict in Italy after the Great War. After disastrous battle of Caporetto, ancient city of Venice fell to the Germanic soldiers, discrediting Italian government over conduct of a war and forcing Chief of Staff Luigi Cadorna to resign. Failure of defences at Monte Grappa to stop hostile advances costed a lot for his successor Armando Diaz and caused nation-wide outrage. Austro-German forces killed 15,000 Italians, wounded 45,000 and captured 350,000, ending organized resistance of the Second Army. Withdrawal of Russia (armistice signed on December 19, 1917, peace treaty on December 24, 1917) from a war forced Prime Minister Vittorio Emanuele Orlando to consider similar move. Allied help was insufficent, United States could not enter the war due to their policies and socialist threat while Italian military forces were bleeding. On January 8, 1917 an armistice was signed between Italy and the Central Powers. After three years of devastating warfare, German Empire wanted to end the war as fast as possible. In fact, Germans had not wanted anything from Italy in the first place, they had no border with them nor did they ever really consider the Italians a primary enemy. Georg Michaelis presented them ideal opportunity to quit war - imposition of demilitarized zone on Italian-Austrian border, payment of modest war reparations and limited border adjustments. Italian government agreed and on January 19, 1918 Kingdom of Italy declared their neutrality and withdrawal from a Great War. With both Russia and Italy knocked out of war, German Imperial Army could focus on the Western Front and reinforce Afrikakorps - expeditionary forces' group in the Ottoman Empire - to fight against Entente forces.

Mass demobilization of the Royal Italian Army aggrandized post-war unemployment, rising prices of basic goods and rising inflation which government was unable to stop due to necessity of paying off war debts and war reparations. During first years after war, membership in socialist and anarchist organization increased considerably. By January 1919 Italian Socialist Party reached 250,000 members, General Confederation of Labour reached two million members while Italian Syndicalist Union reached 500,000 members. Economy in a straight course to hell with no immediate hope for recovery to be seen, so thousands workers joined radical movements within state. In 1918, there were 1,800 strikes (compared to 830 in 1913). On July 20, 1918 a general strike was called for solidarity with the Russian intervention. Crackdown on demonstrations was met with a strong resistance - imposition of martial law only fuelled already tense situation. On August 3, 1918 Soldiers' and Workers' Soviet formed in FIAT factory in Turin, followed by armed occupation of metal industry in Turin and Milan (August 4). Factory occupations swept the "industrial triangle" of north-western Italy. On August 6, 1918 demonstration in Rome turned sour when some of soldiers refused to shoot at protesters and killed their superior officers, joining strikers. Few hours later Victor Emmanual fled the city (he was later found in Naples and shot together with his family by Giuseppe Di Vittorio). Day later, Alberto Meschi arrived in Rome and organized Provisional Government of the National Union of Italy as basis for creation of the syndicalist state. Arditi del Popolo was recognized as the military forces of newly formed Republic and reorganized into "Armata Rossa degli Operai e dei Contadini" (Red Army) to fight against monarchist and conservative forces within country. Immediate counteroffensive conducted by Italian Army against Rome was defeated one week later, which only strenghtened new government.

Italian Civil War (Red Days) was in fact multi-party war in the former Kingdom of Italy. Two largest combatant groups were the Italian Red Army, fighting for the alliance of socialists, communists and syndicalists, led by Alberto Meschi and loosely alliance of White movement representing interests favouring political monarchism, capitalism, republicanism, all with democratic and anti-democratic variations. In addition, disillusioned with inefficiency of central government, Sardinian Nationalist Movement was formed to protect Sardinian sovereignty from foreign intrusion and managed to take control over several cities in northern part of an island. In Libya, local tribes rose against Italian occupation while Eritrea and Somaliland were seized by Ethiopia. Red Army defeated White movement in early 1919, intervened in Sardinia in April 1919 and retook Libyan shore three months later. Thousands Sardinians who had supported nationalist uprising were resettled to Libya as part of Italianization policy in colonies and as part of punishment for their rebellion. Struck in the middle of nowhere they had no real chances for returning to home, instead they were forced to cooperate with local colonists who appeared in Libya just before outbreak of Great War. Approximately 800,000 Italians died during ongoing conflicts or were deported to colonies. Attempt to recover Eritrea and Somaliland was averted by victorious German Empire who just recently signed armistice with France. In exchange for port of Massawa for the Imperial German Navy, Kaiser Wilhelm II supported Ethiopian plans of rapid modernization and expansion of a country. City was destroyed during 1921 earthquake, which forced Italians and most of natives to leave - an opportunity used by Germans who settled 1,000 men and women here, making it 10% German.

On September 2, 1919 Alberto Meschi proclaimed rise of the National Union of Italy - the first syndicalist nation on Earth.
 
But fine, lets say Germany lets the civil war play out. Why are the Soviets in Poland? The Soviets couldn't even beat Poland, let alone the victorious Central Powers.

Border is placed further west as there was no Operation Faustschlag. Leon Trotsky accepted German demands to cede Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. Soviet Poland was later created from western parts of OTL Byelorussian and Ukrainian SSRs - something like enlarged OTL Polish National District - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_National_District

Because he is doing a reverse OTL cold war when that already is unpausable

Cold War between Socialist Bloc of US, Soviets, Chinese, Indians, Italians, Japanese, Iran and their allies against Imperial Bloc of Germany, Great Britain, Austria-Hungary and Ottomans.

Germany suffered major socialist-communist revolution during 1919 (just before armistice with France) that nearly toppled monarchy. Austria-Hungary nearly imploded in the winter of 1918 due to nationalist unrest, economic degradation and failed socialist revolution. Great Britain was nearly starved by German U-boots, forced to do a food rationing, entered into heavy recession and suffered from socialist revolution (also failed) during 1928-1929. Mosley and his proto-fascists were appointed as new rulers of the Empire (autocracy lasted until 1960s when it was replaced with plain national conservatism of authoritative democracy[1]). France fell into nationalist state capitalist ideology, industrialized and militarized themselves by force (something like pulling a Stalin but more competent) to pay of indemnities as soon as possible and re-arm for a next war (that never came). After 1928 and 1936 stock crashes, they experimented with economic autarchy. By 1980s they are nationalist, authoritative democratic state hostile to Germany, Britain, socialists, syndicalists, communists, Americans, Italians armed with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons they are ready to use against any enemy. And they still have northern African colonies which they are using to extract as many natural resources as possible for the glory of mainland France. Everyone sane in the world fears France more than every other country. Standard of living for French citizens is high, government begins to implement technocratic elements within political system, whites have their liberties to keep them happy. Life there is rather pleasant.

[1] ATL political system. Monarch (in Great Britain Prime Minister) has greater, nearly authoritarian rights. Think of stronger US President without Supreme Court and weaker Congress. OTL democracies failed in the Great War, so most of the civillized world except Switzerland turned to more autocratic model of governing. Oh, and Switzerland has nukes.
 
how it even have reagan, reagan, the man who give the chicago boys the keys of the kingdom...seriously this is like those of the impausable wikia, might look fun but doesn't have two feet on the ground.

Until 1950s Ronald Reagan was a New Deal Democrat, deemed as too liberal by that party to run in election. ATL he remained loyal to the government of US during Second Civil War, served in the Army and later entered into politics as a centrist. By late 1960s he turned towards democratic socialism and in late 1970s he was elected as a President. It's a just different lives of OTL famous people (Hitler as a foundator of international corporation producing hi-tech devices, Reagan the Socialist President, Joel American-Soviet singer).
 

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Plagiarism is flat unacceptable here. Even if you do the lift from Wikipedia there is a requirement that you at least give credit and a link to the actual work. This is WAY beyond any sort of "fair use" and worse, you passed it off as your own work.

This is a one bite offense. You just had yours.

Kicked for a week.

BTW: Thread locked a fruit of poisoned tree.
 
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