Examples of "A** Hole Alternate History"?

Eurofed

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The published novels "Fox on the Rhine" and "Fox at the Front" use just that scenario. For what it's worth, a lot of Nazi-Germany-survives scenarios do seem to have Himmler becoming Fuhrer in the course of events.

Which is so damn laughable because as BW said, he was loathed as a wacko even by the other Nazi bigwigs, and in all likelihood he would have been purged at the death of Hitler. Just to name one, the Wehrmacht would have slitted their throats rather than accept him as Fuhrer.
 
The Daily Mail commemorated the death of Michael Foot with a particularly hate-filled load of twaddle.

Premise: Foot became PM, allowing Argentina to keep the Falklands (despite the fact he was very much in favour of taking them back). This cringing display of weakness then lead to Spain demanding Gibraltar with menaces, and France mobilising to retake the Channel Islands.

Utter shite of the highest order.
 

Wolfpaw

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Or Central Power victory TLs where the whole world become a perfect utopia because the Germans are so God Damned awesome are about as Assholish.
I wouldn't call them "assholish," I just call that wankage. I think of "Asshole AH" as scenarios where authors make things deliberately worse if such-and-such happened while pretty much ignoring historical fact.

Otherwise, I agree; Central Power Victory = Utopia is a really tiresome and painfully wankish trope. I actually Turtledove hit that one on the head in TL-191 when he wrapped it up by saying (with the exception of the Southern situation), "Yeah, it's better than our own history, but that still doesn't make it nice."

The published novels "Fox on the Rhine" and "Fox at the Front" use just that scenario. For what it's worth, a lot of Nazi-Germany-survives scenarios do seem to have Himmler becoming Fuhrer in the course of events.
I'll agree that a scenario where Himmler becomes Führer while World War II is still going on is flat-out dumb. With regards to him becoming head honcho after World War II...well, I doubt the Wehrmacht will be anywhere near as influential, and being the head of an extensive and highly efficient secret police force is a pretty good position to start from, even if you are a complete nutter (especially if most people don't know how batshit insane you are).
 
well, what about the Smedley Presidency where the Axis is allowed free reign over eurasia? Although i my planned TL they disintegrate, leaving Eurasia hellish (think the fifth layer of hell, except on the scale of the largest landmass of earth). they reform again seeking more with WW3 in 2006, and America is still in isolationist mood. :eek:
 
That is why Nixon must be wanked! :cool:

What? I think Nixon would be a much better face to add to Rushmore than Reagan. And while we're at it, let's put Nix on the twenty dollar bill! If I were a President, I'd be just like Nixon... I'd be an EVIL Richard Nixon. :D
 

Eurofed

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well, I doubt the Wehrmacht will be anywhere near as influential,


Oh, no, they just won a world war. They don't have any good reason to be influential. :rolleyes:

and being the head of an extensive and highly efficient secret police force is a pretty good position to start from,


Go tell it to Beria. :p

even if you are a complete nutter (especially if most people don't know how batshit insane you are).

The other Nazi bigwigs perfectly knew how much of a nutter Himmler was, even from a Nazi PoV. To begin with, there was all the occultist and pseudoscience stuff.
 

Susano

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Clichees must be destroyed! :p
So yes, Im all for iconoclastic, as you called it, "Arsehole Alternate History" :D

Oh, and LBJ cleverly exploited Kennedys death to push through a civil rights atc much more extensive than Kennedy himself had planned, so actually it might not be so farfetched to believe that with him things might have gone slightly less well.
 
The OTL CRA and VRA would have passed eventually, but in 1965 rather than 1964. JFK will win a slightly smaller landslide than LBJ did IOTL and the Class of '64 will include a large amount of liberal Dems (295-140 IOTL) that will support the program. But yes, the only Kennedy brother who was adept at the legislative process was Ted.
 
I know what inspired this now! It was that trope in AH where Orson Welles' career is destroyed by the Halloween broadcast, even though the broadcast wasn't a really big deal in the OTL (the pandemonium was overstated, and not a single person died from it; all that junk about suicides and riots and car crashes as people fled that killed hundreds is urban legend).
 
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