European Ursurpator erects kingdom in North America

What if an English claimer tries to found an independent European kingdom on American soil ? Is it possible ?
 
Yes, I think it's possible. Say you have a dynastic civil war between Claimant A and Claimant B, in which Claimant A wins in England but Claimant B's forces prevail in the Americas. After a while it becomes clear that neither side can ultimately defeat the other, so Claimant A agrees to let Claimant B remain King of the Americas in return for Claimant B formally renouncing all claim to the English throne.
 
I would think so. Fabius has already elaborated on way this could occur but I would also like to say something rather similar nearly occured in history. The First Mexican Empire attempted to find a European monarch to rule over them and after no one stood up they simply choose a Native Mexican instead. So perhaps one way is have a country declare independence and become a Monarchy instead of a Republic and then have a European monarch rise to the throne. Sadly, as happend in history there wasnt much incentive for European Monarchs to rule over land overseas, and any attempt for one to do so would draw the ire of the country from which the nation declared independence from. But for England specifically, perhaps yes. If the United States declared independence earlier, the ideas of the enlightenment may not have desiminated in America as thorougly and perhaps the Americans would have gone with Monarchy. Perhaps. Another, perhaps more radical and unlikely possibility is have Europeans loose contact with a sizable colony in the Americas in the medieval era, somewhat similar to the Viking colonies in Greenland. The Normans loved to sail around, so perhaps a storm would set them to a new land. It would have to be well established enough to retain it's population, infrastructure and culture which is ofcourse unlikely. You'd also need the incentive to colonize in the first place-- perhaps another plague, fertile land or riches. Then after recontact during the proper colonial era it would have to be advanced enough to stem the tide of the New Colonialism. Is this scenario likely? No. But is it possible? Probaly.
 
Could Carlism ever gain a strong base in a Latin American country? Or even Carlists fleeing to Cuba or Puerto Rico and taking the place over? Or perhaps Miguel I could somehow gain power during a revolt in Brazil that creates an independent kingdom there that also manages to defeat the Brazilian Empire? I somehow think that would be the one rebellion the Brazilian Empire would definitely not tolerate.

Either way it would require support from the planter class mixed with strong Catholicism, as well as perhaps most importantly, a desire to create such a country in the first place. After all, why would either Miguel or Carlos want to rule those places when by their god-given right they are the rulers of Portugal and Spain respectively? I don't see either of them going the Taiwan route--that seems to take a different sort of ideological conflict to produce. Maybe if either of them somehow died not long after their defeats, their successor might get that idea planted in their heads. Carlos VI seems to be the best for that route, since he was pretty young during the First Carlist War. Miguel didn't have any descendents at the time, so I'm not sure who'd inherit his claim if he died sometime during/right after the Liberal Wars, and then would they be inclined to help lead this combined absolutist/regionalist revolt in Brazil?
 

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I know you said North America, but would Brazil/Portugal from 1815-1825 qualify for this, as the Portuguese monarchy fled from Portugal during Napoleon's conquests and resided in the court of Rio de Janeiro (up until 1821 at least, when they returned to Lisbon)?

Another way this could happen could be Cortez conquering the Aztec Empire for himself and founding a kingdom in Mexico.
 
Well, the heir to the Portuguese Throne seized control of Brazil and became the first Emperor of Brazil. Does that count?
 
I know you said North America, but would Brazil/Portugal from 1815-1825 qualify for this, as the Portuguese monarchy fled from Portugal during Napoleon's conquests and resided in the court of Rio de Janeiro (up until 1821 at least, when they returned to Lisbon)?

Another way this could happen could be Cortez conquering the Aztec Empire for himself and founding a kingdom in Mexico.

Didn´t the Spanish Crown feared some of the Conquistadores and viceroys like Pizarro and Cortez´ to be potential self-made kings ?
 
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Well, the heir to the Portuguese Throne seized control of Brazil and became the first Emperor of Brazil. Does that count?

Later he resigned and usurped the Portuguese crown from his brother too. Quite an interesting story.
 
It would certainly be possible, while a legitimist or usurper king could still claim a throne, ruling over a portion of his realm in America would at least give him a stronger claim to the throne. Ruling over the at least part of their territory would at least give them a base, including revenue, and the potential to form an army and navy to help in theory retake their European kingdom.
 
Delay the American revolution a bit. If an American Revolution and the French revolution coincided, it's possible the English might consider offering a Prince. Not so sure the 13 colonies would jump at the offer though.
 
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