European settled Taiwan.

In OTL the dutch and spanish both controlled parts of Taiwan and then lost it to China who settled it. What pod would get taiwan settled by Europeans to become the majority and how would this affect the world? Also which European power is most likely to colonise Taiwan?
 
In OTL the dutch and spanish both controlled parts of Taiwan and then lost it to China who settled it. What pod would get taiwan settled by Europeans to become the majority and how would this affect the world? Also which European power is most likely to colonise Taiwan?

Too near China, too many chinese migrants to get what you want.
 
Too near China, too many chinese migrants to get what you want.

I think that the Chinese population was fairly low prior to the Dutch transporting them over to act as a workforce, so prevent that somehow and the Chinese will probably continue to have little to no interest in the place.
 
I think that the Chinese population was fairly low prior to the Dutch transporting them over to act as a workforce, so prevent that somehow and the Chinese will probably continue to have little to no interest in the place.

You have a chicken or egg scenario. The British and Portuguese had the same issue with Macao, Hong Kong and Singapore. All were sparsely populated before the Europeans arrived. The most effective way to get labor is from China. Logistics of travel is easy, there are a lot chinese in the region.

The best possible scenario you have are European mestizos with either the Chinese or the indigenous Taiwanese. So essentially they will be mixed race with European ethnicity but identify themselves formosans. So it won't be identifiable as migration like usa or Australia wherein pure European races are easily identifiable and easily separated from the populace.
 
I think that the Chinese population was fairly low prior to the Dutch transporting them over to act as a workforce, so prevent that somehow and the Chinese will probably continue to have little to no interest in the place.

China did not go to Taiwan until after the defeat of the Ming when the Ming Admiral Koxinga fled to Taiwan and took over Fort Zeelandia, pledging to re-establish Ming control of China. Of course this didn't happen and soon after the Qing were also defeated to be replaced by the RoC.

Anyway if the Ming are NOT defeated in China then there is no reason for the Koxinga to invade Taiwan and take it from the Dutch.

Fort Zeelandia was already an international business center with Dutch East India Company ships heading north to Japan, west to Fujian, and south to Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, India, Iran and Europe.

If they can hold the Taiwan colony and tie it to Batavia the Dutch Indies could remain influential
 
Taiwan's profitability under the Dutch was quite limited if it remained solely as a trade post, it's just a stop between Batavia and Dejima without much profit on its own until Chinese farmers were introduced to work the fields and plantations because the natives didn't want to work for the Dutch. Trade with China was seriously disrupted following the Manchurian invasion but that did attract many Chinese farmers due to the safty under Dutch rule.

And the bigger obstacle to shipping in more Dutch was that Taiwan was a tropical island on the far side of the earth that had a serious Malaria problem well into the 20th century and there's no local infrastructure to take over and must be built from the ground.
 
You have a chicken or egg scenario. The British and Portuguese had the same issue with Macao, Hong Kong and Singapore. All were sparsely populated before the Europeans arrived. The most effective way to get labor is from China. Logistics of travel is easy, there are a lot chinese in the region.

The best possible scenario you have are European mestizos with either the Chinese or the indigenous Taiwanese. So essentially they will be mixed race with European ethnicity but identify themselves formosans. So it won't be identifiable as migration like usa or Australia wherein pure European races are easily identifiable and easily separated from the populace.

basically, this.

Southeast Asia's too far away at this stage of European Imperialism.

the best you'll get is a larger Spanish East Indies, with a Formosan port taking the place of Manila.
 
The population would be similar to the Philippines which also had a substantial European population move there, but not enough to overwhelm the natives. There would be substantial race mixing with different gradiations within the populace. There would probably be something similar in Mexico and Latin America where the upper elite is very "white" with a lot of European features, a large mestizo (Eurasian) population, and an even larger indigenous population that preserves most of the original appearance. However, everyone would speak the European language and follow the colonizer's form of Christianity.

Taiwan was always peripheral to China or the other major powers, so it won't have much impact on history. The first major change is that when Japan modernizes, it likely won't conquer and take over Taiwan as they did in the First Sino-Japanese War. If we ignore all sorts of butterflies, it would be interesting in the case of a Spanish Taiwan whether it would become part of the USA's Far East colonies along with the Philippines. In any event, it won't start impacting large scale history until the late 19th or 20th centuries.
 
China did not go to Taiwan until after the defeat of the Ming when the Ming Admiral Koxinga fled to Taiwan and took over Fort Zeelandia, pledging to re-establish Ming control of China. Of course this didn't happen and soon after the Qing were also defeated to be replaced by the RoC.

There were plenty of Chinese settlers there during the 17th century prior to Koxinga; who do you think was growing the sugar the Dutch sold?

TTaiwan was always peripheral to China or the other major powers, so it won't have much impact on history. The first major change is that when Japan modernizes, it likely won't conquer and take over Taiwan as they did in the First Sino-Japanese War.

Absent the threat posed by Koxinga in Taiwan, the Qing never close the coast for a decade, and integrate the region more tightly into their empire. Qing involvement in Southeast Asia is about as extensive as their involvement in Mongolia, and the Qing end up trying to modernize in the 18th century to deal with attacks on Chinese subjects in the East Indies.
 
The population would be similar to the Philippines which also had a substantial European population move there, but not enough to overwhelm the natives. There would be substantial race mixing with different gradiations within the populace. There would probably be something similar in Mexico and Latin America where the upper elite is very "white" with a lot of European features, a large mestizo (Eurasian) population, and an even larger indigenous population that preserves most of the original appearance. However, everyone would speak the European language and follow the colonizer's form of Christianity.

Taiwan was always peripheral to China or the other major powers, so it won't have much impact on history. The first major change is that when Japan modernizes, it likely won't conquer and take over Taiwan as they did in the First Sino-Japanese War. If we ignore all sorts of butterflies, it would be interesting in the case of a Spanish Taiwan whether it would become part of the USA's Far East colonies along with the Philippines. In any event, it won't start impacting large scale history until the late 19th or 20th centuries.

Mix racing is very hard to identify under spanish caste system In a tropical climate near the equator, especially if you mix austronesian, chinese and European all together. A pure white European migrant in the philippines 100 years ago can have their European features vanish from their descendants due mestizos mixing with mestizo or with locals or chinese further diluting the race while eating Local staple/rich and fish and getting a lot of ultra violet Rays vs someone from usa or Australia who eats European food with less UVR. This is ever more true if done 1500/1600s. Eventually this mestizo look would be identified as indigenous look by present day.
 
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