European Intervention Against Britain in the First Opium War?

Is there anyway to get Europeans to help the Qing Empire against the British? They don't have to win the war, but is there any chance of intervention?

Like how in India, certain kingdoms allied with France to go against British domination and such.

POD has to be after 1800
 
why would the join the Qing when they could just do the exact same and eat som cities from china and try to invade Britain is suiced at this point they have the largest naive by far and the Qings army and naive suck at this time
 
Is there anyway to get Europeans to help the Qing Empire against the British? They don't have to win the war, but is there any chance of intervention?

Like how in India, certain kingdoms allied with France to go against British domination and such.

POD has to be after 1800

By the time of the 1st Opium war India is already dominated by the British. The only reliable force in India are the Sepoy troops and the Sikh.

There is no way in hell European powers will fight Britain to help Qing China. Or the British must piss off a lot of states in before the War.
 
By the time of the 1st Opium war India is already dominated by the British. The only reliable force in India are the Sepoy troops and the Sikh.

There is no way in hell European powers will fight Britain to help Qing China. Or the British must piss off a lot of states in before the War.

If helping the Qing is out of the picture, what about a rivalry for economic domination of the Qing?
 
If helping the Qing is out of the picture, what about a rivalry for economic domination of the Qing?

Then they'd be joining in on the beating down of China rather than intervening against the British forces. Or, at the very least, looking for an excuse to extract concessions of their own either through intimidation or a justifable conflict. Britannia's rulership of the waves, especially in the Pacific, is pretty unshakable in the mid-1800's and everybody knows it.
 
Most of the European countries wanted to get involved in trade with China after Britain opens the door.

So I'm not sure what motivation other European powers would have for helping the distant Qing Empire (which disliked all foreigners and disrespected all foreign governments), against a Britain that they could not possibly defeat, and that was doing them a favour in opening up China.
 

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I'll put it this way: there's a higher chance of Europeans intervening in favour of Britain than in defence of China. That's how badly they wanted that piece of sweet delicious Chinese cake.
 
I'll put it this way: there's a higher chance of Europeans intervening in favour of Britain than in defence of China. That's how badly they wanted that piece of sweet delicious Chinese cake.
Ah I see. So looks like intervention for the Qing is pretty ASB.

Either way, thank you and everyone else for the criticism, don't know what I was thinking lol

I've been writing a Qing TL and thinking of different POD's for the 1800's, guess I was desperate

Anyways, thank you all for helping! I'll be sure to use your advice for my TL
 
If helping the Qing is out of the picture, what about a rivalry for economic domination of the Qing?

That requires a dominant Naval power. In the 17th century it were the Dutch & Spanish as concurrents and in the 18th century it were the French. The Dutch lost their trade hegemony and thus Naval power. The Spanish lost their colonies and its income to sustain a powerful navy. The French were crushed due to the Napoleonic Wars. Unless one power can keep up as a Naval concurrent there is no way to intervene on behalf of Qing China. I suppose the French are in best position. But even that is hard.
 
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Could anyone have helped the Qing, I would say yes, the Russians as example.

But why would anyone help the Qing, while plenty of European countries would have loved to see the the British humiliated, they all benefitted from China bring opened.
 
Could anyone have helped the Qing, I would say yes, the Russians as example.

But why would anyone help the Qing, while plenty of European countries would have loved to see the the British humiliated, they all benefitted from China bring opened.

So could the French. As long as there is no Naval concurrence for the British, no nation can intervene on behalf of Qing. Russia can send troops all the way to Kowloon they still cannot threaten Britain.

No naval power to threaten the British is no intervention. Not gonna happen.
 
So could the French. As long as there is no Naval concurrence for the British, no nation can intervene on behalf of Qing. Russia can send troops all the way to Kowloon they still cannot threaten Britain.

No naval power to threaten the British is no intervention. Not gonna happen.

The British said the same thing in the 1770ties, it didn't keep other European powers from humiliating the British by helping the 13 colonies gaining independence. The problem here is that no one care to help the Qing, as it benefit everyone that China are opened to "free" trade.
 
The British said the same thing in the 1770ties, it didn't keep other European powers from humiliating the British by helping the 13 colonies gaining independence. The problem here is that no one care to help the Qing, as it benefit everyone that China are opened to "free" trade.

There were several strong naval powers in the 1770s.

In the 1840s there was no one capable of challenging the RN. This was the age of Pax Britannica and pretty much any other naval power, or combination of navies, would have been destroyed.
 
The British said the same thing in the 1770ties, it didn't keep other European powers from humiliating the British by helping the 13 colonies gaining independence. The problem here is that no one care to help the Qing, as it benefit everyone that China are opened to "free" trade.

The situation of 1770s and 1840s are different. In those 70 years, the French were wrecked and outchallenged by the British on the Sea. The Spanish lost their valuable colonies and thus the ability to counter the British Navy. Even the Dutch who lost their Naval strenght by the 1770s were even weaker by the 1840s.

And not caring about Qing is also wrong. The French helped Mysore and Maratha's as much as they possibly could up until the Second Maratha War. Two non-White and non-Christian states. Back then they still had left the tiny chance to challenge the British. If they had the ability during the Opium War they would go for it. It is about money and power, not sympathy for the Chinese.

Don't do this. There is a world of difference between the two era's...
 
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