European countries loose ALL colonies.

Fine then. If nothing else works, can the British territories on Cyprus go to Cypriot rule then? If even this doesn't work, I give up.
A couple of military bases? They aren't colonies or whatever, just two bases the independent country of Cyprus made available to UK, kinda like Diego Garcia for the US or the various bases (US, French and Chinese) in Djibouti.
 
A couple of military bases? They aren't colonies or whatever, just two bases the independent country of Cyprus made available to UK, kinda like Diego Garcia for the US or the various bases (US, French and Chinese) in Djibouti.
Well, the British ones in Cyprus seemed to be demarcated on various sources as distinct territorial and politicial entities more often than the other bases.
 

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Fine then. If nothing else works, can the British territories on Cyprus go to Cypriot rule then? If even this doesn't work, I give up.
Listen the Europeans have given every piece of territory that wanted independence its green card to go its merry way. All former European colonial powers are democracies that provide each of its citizens the ability to vote including those in the most far flung parts of the world. There countries also pump into these territories more $ and provide the people with a standard of living greater than they could of received as independent.

There is no place being held as hostage by Europeans (plenty by other countries but that another thread).

If you read about Cyprus it is comprised of two ethnic groups that have had a hard time living together and today is split along ethnic lines. SO not sure where you going with that. The British presence there is based on British paying $$$$$ for the lease of the bases just like America pays for the lease of bases and ports in Azores or in Spain and elsewhere. If the country hosting the Base does not want it there the Imperialistic country leaves like happened in Philippines.
 
Well, I guess we have come to a conclusion...

This is impossible, and the closest thing we can get is a highly aggressive, fascist France or Britain be on the wrong end of a world war and having all external territory stripped as punishment with no regard for the local people.

Sound good?
 

Lusitania

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Well, I guess we have come to a conclusion...

This is impossible, and the closest thing we can get is a highly aggressive, fascist France or Britain be on the wrong end of a world war and having all external territory stripped as punishment with no regard for the local people.

Sound good?
Stripped by whom?? You are implying a completely different scenario and POD which is not feasible for us to speculate unless you take the time to write the outline of TL. We not going to do it for you. Remember if you want to have the scenario similar of what happened to German colonies after WWI you better come up with a decent scenario why the whole Europeans are bastards. Chances if they are bastards so too is the US who are in many ways similar to them. Find it hardly any reasonable pod unless ASB that all of Europe become fascists. If you trying to reverse the roles of the Germans and French and English then the Germans will take a lot of the French and British colonies for themselves not grant them independence after war. Remember the attitudes and perceptions of the various people at that time do not interject your attitudes from 2018 onto them. These are the same people who had apartheid, segregation and even the holocaust.
 
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Stripped by whom?? You are implying a completely different scenario and POD which is not feasible for us to speculate unless you take the time to write the outline of TL. We not going to do it for you. Remember if you want to have the scenario similar of what happened to German colonies after WWI you better come up with a decent scenario why the whole Europeans are bastards. Chances if they are bastards so too is the US who are in many ways similar to them. Find it hardly any reasonable pod unless ASB that all of Europe become fascists. If you trying to reverse the roles of the Germans and French and English then the Germans will take a lot of the French and British colonies for themselves not grant them independence after war. Remember the attitudes and perceptions of the various people at that time do not interject your attitudes from 2018 onto them. These are the same people who had apartheid, segregation and even the holocaust.
Okay, now you are being wrong. I didn't say that would accomplish my scenerio, I said that would be the closest. Do not put words in my mouth. In case you didn't care to notice, I conceded that my initial scenerio was impossible. I just said the closest (still very far) feasible thing would be ONE country having all its external territories taken away after a world war.
 

Lusitania

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Okay, now you are being wrong. I didn't say that would accomplish my scenerio, I said that would be the closest. Do not put words in my mouth. In case you didn't care to notice, I conceded that my initial scenerio was impossible. I just said the closest (still very far) feasible thing would be ONE country having all its external territories taken away after a world war.
But again if your wish is for France to have its colonies taken away then it will be taken by whom. How did France end up as a Fascist and what about the other countries. Nothing happens in a vacuum so we could have France as Fascist and Germany as communist who believes that it should take all of Frances colonies and "provide" the backwards people in the colonies with guidance and governance and therefore you now have Germany as the overlord instead of the France. Maybe the Germans decide that they want to make the special place you want as free of France a private retreat for some rich noble and all locals are made his slaves, sent elsewhere or executed.

This is to illustrate the complexity of Alternative History and that you need to provide a real POD not a made up idea.
 

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Okay, now you are being wrong. I didn't say that would accomplish my scenerio, I said that would be the closest. Do not put words in my mouth. In case you didn't care to notice, I conceded that my initial scenerio was impossible. I just said the closest (still very far) feasible thing would be ONE country having all its external territories taken away after a world war.
No I did not state it would accomplish your scenario I stated it would change the situation where France looses its colonies like Germany lost them at end of WWI.
 
But again if your wish is for France to have its colonies taken away then it will be taken by whom. How did France end up as a Fascist and what about the other countries. Nothing happens in a vacuum so we could have France as Fascist and Germany as communist who believes that it should take all of Frances colonies and "provide" the backwards people in the colonies with guidance and governance and therefore you now have Germany as the overlord instead of the France. Maybe the Germans decide that they want to make the special place you want as free of France a private retreat for some rich noble and all locals are made his slaves, sent elsewhere or executed.

This is to illustrate the complexity of Alternative History and that you need to provide a real POD not a made up idea.
What are you talking about? NOWHERE did I say that this would be better world for anyone! I am not proposing an "ideal world" if that is what you are thinking. I ADMITED MY IDEA WAS NOT POSSIBLE. I merely said this thing was the CLOSEST APPROXIMATION of my idea being true. Again, I admitted defeat and I bit the bullet. If you still feel like attacking me for whatever reason, that is your problem.
 
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