European countries loose ALL colonies.

The problem with this is that there's a very steep drop in probability between 'European countries loses most colonies' and 'European countries loses all colonies'. The latter is an absolute term, which requires all territories outside of Europe to separate. The problem with that is that the overseas territories held by the former colonial powers today are either too weak to stay independent, surrounded by very nasty neighbours with a vested interest in claiming themselves some free real estate, or just too closely tied to the metropole. Most of them, of course, are all of the above, and these territories generally and overwhelmingly lack the will to separate. Just take New Caledonia, for example, which still possesses a marginal chance of seceding from France and surviving. When given the vote on independence last November, it still got a pretty comfortable 'no' vote, though not as overwhelming as expected. Overall, almost all the colonies that wanted decolonization got it (plus a couple or so that didn't), and those that didn't are just too small to survive, or has a firm foot down from the metropole to complain.
 
Well, weather such a thing would be good for the local populations depends on the exact events, but that's not the goal here.

If breaking away all extra continental territory is truly impossible, then can we at least get it to be more than otl? Like, a central powers US
So, a rival colonial power like the US or Japan or both going for unconditional surrender on the entirety of Europe...
 

Lusitania

Donor
We are not understanding your premise or reasoning of this thread. You are asking a premise that we are either saying is not practical or possible due to several factors.

As most have stated that decolonization has occurred in a gradual way so that by end of the 20th century all colonies that wanted to be independent have done so. The only that remain do so out of desire to stay connected.

If your purpose is to have a “beautiful map” with no European possessions outside Europe after WW1 then it is not possible with a POD of post 1900. If the purpose is hatred of Europe In order to wipe Europeans from outside of Europe then it has no place in this forum.
 
Why are you guys getting so accusatory? I don't hate Europe, nor do I have any deeper malicious motive here. No, I don't think America is a benevolent savior of a country, not at all. I just want to see a scenerio like this to see how it can happen. We don't make these same accusations against Islam screwers or Germany wankers or whatever the hell else you have in mind, so it seems extremely harsh of everyone here to start thinking of such accusations here.
 

Lusitania

Donor
Why are you guys getting so accusatory? I don't hate Europe, nor do I have any deeper malicious motive here. No, I don't think America is a benevolent savior of a country, not at all. I just want to see a scenerio like this to see how it can happen. We don't make these same accusations against Islam screwers or Germany wankers or whatever the hell else you have in mind, so it seems extremely harsh of everyone here to start thinking of such accusations here.

But you stated you did not care about the well-being of the people in those colonies or that for you it was alright for completely incompatible cultural and ethnic groups take over the European colonies regardless of the people wishes. So then I think it a accurate question.

But as we have stated that it was culturally, physically and politically impossible to do what you ask prior to WW2.

Take Africa for example most Africans country today are artificial countries made up by Europeans. They were just being setup and the administration infrastructure not setup. No American or Asian country going to go there and “free” the Africans. A withdrawal of Europeans would lead to a power vacum and result anarchy or continental wide tribal war.
 
But you stated you did not care about the well-being of the people in those colonies or that for you it was alright for completely incompatible cultural and ethnic groups take over the European colonies regardless of the people wishes. So then I think it a accurate question.
The same can be said of all those bajillions of people who do Germany wanks. Hmm, do they not care about the well being of Poles or something? Or pretty much any kind of screw. Like hmm, Russia screw? Does this person hate Russians? Or what about Indo Pak nuclear war tls? Does this person hate south asians? And so on and so forth.

Yes, it's a weird scenerio, but I don't like these accusations of some really malicious motive.
 

Lusitania

Donor
The same can be said of all those bajillions of people who do Germany wanks. Hmm, do they not care about the well being of Poles or something? Or pretty much any kind of screw. Like hmm, Russia screw? Does this person hate Russians? Or what about Indo Pak nuclear war tls? Does this person hate south asians? And so on and so forth.

Yes, it's a weird scenerio, but I don't like these accusations of some really malicious motive.

I stated there were two possible reasons for your thread make a nice map which several of us have stated not possible and provided you clear examples. The other reason was exactly what you have been concentrating on. So if not the second clearly state no hatred and I just want to make a nice map.
 
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I stayed there were two possible reasons for your thread make a nice map which several of us have stated not possible and provided you clear examples. The other reason was exactly what you have been concentrating on. So if not the second clearly state no hatred and I just want to make a nice map.
Yeah. I just want a nice map is all.

Though, at the very least, can we at least get Mayotte to join Comoros?
 
Then be aware that you are going down the same path as the Europeans who wanted to “make nice maps” and color the world their national color you screw the locals.
Well, I am aware that this scenerio is not in the best interests of those living in such territories. But alt hist does that all the time, surely no worse than all the Germany wanks and Britain wanks out there. But I'll bite the bullet and concede that the initial goal here is impossible. But now this. What territories could have split off but didn't? As people already mentioned, New Caledonia is decently likely. Perhaps French Polynesia. Maybe Mayotte joins Comoros if Comoros ends up stable and well off.
 
Yeah. I just want a nice map is all.

Though, at the very least, can we at least get Mayotte to join Comoros?
Why?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Mahoran_status_referendum

95 % of the local population requested to become a full-fledged part of France in 2009. In 1976, when it was asked whether they'd want to join Comoros or remain wih France... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Mahoran_Comoros_referendum

104 votes out of 18,000 to join Comoros. Literally more than 99 % of the population didn't want to join Comoros, and the demography really doesn't imply any form of population replacement there. Hell, if there's an influx of population in Mayotte, it's from the Comoros, with people deciding they'd rather want to be French than Comorian. Seriously, decolonization was done over the 20th century: the overseas territories are made of people who want to be part of the European countries involved.
 
104 votes out of 18,000 to join Comoros. Literally more than 99 % of the population didn't want to join Comoros, and the demography really doesn't imply any form of population replacement there. Hell, if there's an influx of population in Mayotte, it's from the Comoros, with people deciding they'd rather want to be French than Comorian. Seriously, decolonization was done over the 20th century: the overseas territories are made of people who want to be part of the European countries involved.
Is it possible to make Comoros more prosperous and stable so Mayotte would be more comfortable joining? You seem to have this absolutist view that Comoros will always end up like crap.
 
Is it possible to make Comoros more prosperous and stable so Mayotte would be more comfortable joining? You seem to have this absolutist view that Comoros will always end up like crap.
It's not absolutist, it's just looking at real life. No real industry to speak of, no sustainable foreign investment, no critical resources, therefore a GDP per capita of 1,300 $, literally ten times less than Mayotte's (up to sixteen times, depending on the source), that receives governmental support, benefits from political stability, real administration and a lot of economic aid even though it has the same geographic and resource issues as the rest of Comoros.

And look at the initial elections, in 1974 and 1976: it wasn't about prosperity. Frankly, the only absolutist guy here is you.
 
It's not absolutist, it's just looking at real life. No real industry to speak of, no sustainable foreign investment, no critical resources, therefore a GDP per capita of 1,300 $, literally ten times less than Mayotte's (up to sixteen times, depending on the source), that receives governmental support, benefits from political stability, real administration and a lot of economic aid even though it has the same geographic and resource issues as the rest of Comoros.

And look at the initial elections, in 1974 and 1976: it wasn't about prosperity. Frankly, the only absolutist guy here is you.
Well, what can we do to change the fate of Comoros without it being part of France?
 
Magically give them industry, a stable administration, governments that aren't being couped every few years, tow the islands in a better place for tourism, and so on, send your list to Jim the ASB.
How are you saying a well off, independent Comoros is ASB? Are you saying there absolutely can not be a Comoros that's well off and independent?
 
How are you saying a well off, independent Comoros is ASB? Are you saying there absolutely can not be a Comoros that's well off and independent?
Le Sigh.

Listen, we get it that you are somehow obsessed by European overseas territories, I don't know why and I don't really care, but when everybody tells you, with numbers and actual reasonings, that your dream doesn't make any sense, it'd be better to take a deep breath rather than try to push for some more and more improbable scenario that'd make said dream happen.

Maybe Comoros could accidentally discover cold fusion and manage to hold it, thus becoming the new superpower. Happy? Or explain us how it'd work instead of demanding everyone else to do your homework when you don't like our answers.
 
Le Sigh.

Listen, we get it that you are somehow obsessed by European overseas territories, I don't know why and I don't really care, but when everybody tells you, with numbers and actual reasonings, that your dream doesn't make any sense, it'd be better to take a deep breath rather than try to push for some more and more improbable scenario that'd make said dream happen.

Maybe Comoros could accidentally discover cold fusion and manage to hold it, thus becoming the new superpower. Happy? Or explain us how it'd work instead of demanding everyone else to do your homework.
I know the reasons things happened in otl make them impossibe as of now I'm not stupid ok. I just find it hard to beleive that there wasn't a way Comoros could have prospered on its own. There are plenty of tiny island countries around the world that do wonderful for themselves.
 

Lusitania

Donor
The best scenario is that the French realize its a waste of time to be there or the locals support some guy who kicks the French out then the people go on being poor and live as a backwards and neglected place. Take your pick. I cant believe we went through 50 something posts to really get to your dream of kicking the French out of few islands.
 
I know the reasons things happened in otl make them impossibe as of now I'm not stupid ok. I just find it hard to beleive that there wasn't a way Comoros could have prospered on its own. There are plenty of tiny island countries around the world that do wonderful for themselves.
... not that many, actually. When you don't have resources, a strategic position and institutional experience at governing, you kinda are in deep trouble. Comoros are out of the way of main trade lines, the neighbouring countries aren't particularly rich and it lacks natural resources to exploit and sell, while its infrastructure is really limited.

There's not much to do outside pumping tons or resources in it to build an industry out of nothing, and it still wouldn't be competitive due to the awkward geographic position leading to expensive logistics. Even Guyana has tons of economic issues, and is on the maps mainly because it has one massive geographic advantage that became apparent only with the development of space launchers.
 
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