Europe vs. Ottomans

Zagan

Donor
When was the earliest possible time the European Christians could defeat the Ottoman Empire and capture all of Ottoman Europe?

I mean, after the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople, so no ERE anymore.

Let's say for example that the Christian Powers can get a functioning alliance / Crusade and fight the Ottomans together. Well, not all of of Europe, Sweden or England do not seem to have any interest in this. But let's say Austria, Poland, Venice, Genoa, Spain, remaining Balkan Christian statelets, maybe other German States, Italian States... I am not sure if we could add France to this...
 
When was the earliest possible time the European Christians could defeat the Ottoman Empire and capture all of Ottoman Europe?

I mean, after the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople, so no ERE anymore.

Let's say for example that the Christian Powers can get a functioning alliance / Crusade and fight the Ottomans together. Well, not all of of Europe, Sweden or England do not seem to have any interest in this. But let's say Austria, Poland, Venice, Genoa, Spain, remaining Balkan Christian statelets, maybe other German States, Italian States... I am not sure if we could add France to this...
That will never happen because France won't let it.Of all the Christian powers,France actually has an alliance with the Ottomans.They know that if the Ottomans are knocked out,the Habsburgs can fully concentrate most of their resources on fighting France.So France will most likely declare war on either Habsburg states while they try to fight the Ottomans.
 
That will never happen because France won't let it.Of all the Christian powers,France actually has an alliance with the Ottomans.They know that if the Ottomans are knocked out,the Habsburgs can fully concentrate most of their resources on fighting France.So France will most likely declare war on either Habsburg states while they try to fight the Ottomans.

I wouldn't do that far. Not to plug myself, but in Apollinis et Diane I have managed to get a European-wide alliance against the Turks without going completely ASB. The key is to find a way to either force France into the Holy Alliance or to remain neutral. That's why I used Louis XIV. It was under the Sun King that Franco-Turkish relations were at a low point, which is what you would need.

Or you would need such an alliance to form before the Franco-Ottoman alliance was created, which is possible. After all Pope Pius II had created a Crusader army in the 1460s, to reclaim Constantinople for Christendom. Have Pius II have better health and live say 5 more years and things could be different.
 

Zagan

Donor
I wouldn't do that far. Not to plug myself, but in Apollinis et Diane I have managed to get a European-wide alliance against the Turks without going completely ASB. The key is to find a way to either force France into the Holy Alliance or to remain neutral. That's why I used Louis XIV. It was under the Sun King that Franco-Turkish relations were at a low point, which is what you would need.

Or you would need such an alliance to form before the Franco-Ottoman alliance was created, which is possible. After all Pope Pius II had created a Crusader army in the 1460s, to reclaim Constantinople for Christendom. Have Pius II have better health and live say 5 more years and things could be different.

So... Was it even remotely possible that the Crusaders decisively defeat the Ottomans so early?
 

trajen777

Banned
1403 --- Have the Genese fleet block the straights instead of ferrying the Ottomans across. Tamerlane finishes his destruction of the Ottomans,

1422 -- Henry the 5th lives past 35 (lets say 60) finishes the french from 1422 - 1430 --- Takes the cross with a united French / Burg / English hardened army of Bowman / Knights / Men at arms -- gets contingencies of Germany - Gen Cross bow man -- and leads the crusade (great way to finish the uniting of France / England) -- under a great military leader ---
1430s -- the balkans were lost to the Ottomans in the 1402 - 1417 civil war and were not regained until 1430 - 50's --- Henry sweeps through Turkey destroys the resurgent Ottomans - and sweeps down to Jerusalem

"with the extension of Turkish dominion into the Balkans, the strategic conquest of Constantinople became a crucial objective. The empire controlled nearly all former Byzantine lands surrounding the city, but the Byzantines were temporarily relieved when the Turco-Mongol leader Timur, founder of the Timurid Empire, invaded Anatolia from the east. In the Battle of Ankara in 1402, Timur defeated the Ottoman forces and took Sultan Bayezid I as a prisoner, throwing the empire into disorder. The ensuing civil war lasted from 1402 to 1413 as Bayezid's sons fought over succession. It ended when Mehmed I emerged as the sultan and restored Ottoman power, bringing an end to the Interregnum, also known as the Fetret Devri.[22]

Part of the Ottoman territories in the Balkans (such as Thessaloniki, Macedonia and Kosovo) were temporarily lost after 1402 but were later recovered by Murad II between the 1430s and 1450s"
 
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