Europa Universalis II

pisces74 said:
I was always a bigger fan of Civ2 any paradox game I buy goes to crap sooner or later with bugs.

With Paradox usually the bugs are worked out after several patches - the main problem is waiting for the patches to arrive. Europa Universalis II works great with 1.08 patch, with very few crashes and whatnot; Crusader Kings has not crashed once on me since I got public beta 1.05 patch; Victoria seems to be very stable as well with the latest patch as well.
 
chunkeymonkey13q said:
I just purchased this game today (the strategy 6 pack) for ten dollars! Can anyone give me some hints on playing as the Roman Empire?

Before you do anything, make sure to download the latest patch 1.08 - it has several changes to rules without which the below strategy will not work as well as otherwise.

I take it you are playing AGC mod for EUII? If so, you start out rather hard; Morea is your vassal and ally, but you only have one province, and Morea is pretty worthless. First thing you should do is dump Morea from your alliance, and look around for easy pickings. I would suggest going for Smyrna/Aydin, they only have one province, and I don't believe they are in any alliance at the start, so you can pound them mercilessly. Sometimes I go after Duchy of Athens first, but beforehand I check to see if they are allied to anyone of importance. If they are not in any alliance, I say go for them, but watch the Ottomans who will want to stab you in the back. If the Ottomans cancel the military access agreement, you know an attack is coming. If you go after Smyrna, make sure to do it in the first two years of the game, since around 1425 the Ottomans inherit them.

If you are lucky and do not have to fight Ottomans right away, it will be easier from there on, but when you do, divide your navy into two, and position one part in Sea of Marmara, and one in the region just south of it. This will prevent the Ottoman armies from Europe and Asia from crossing over and reinforcing each other. Try to go for Ottomans' European possessions - build an all-cavalry army, and try to have a decisive battle in Macedonia or, at the worst, in Thrace - do not fight in Bulgaria or Dobrudja unless you are either really desperate or outnumber the Ottos by a large margin. Don't worry if Smyrna falls to the Ottos, they cannot do anything with it, and you can always retake it after you've mopped up all Ottoman resistance in Europe.

Usually the Ottomans will offer peace at this stage. Take it ONLY if they offer Macedonia AND Bulgaria at least - if they offer more, take it, but make sure Macedonia is one of the provices you end up with, because it has good tax value, good manpower, and is strategically located for your naval blockade to work well. The first Ottoman war will cost you quite a bit, but even if you have to take loans, it is a must. Fight the second Ottoman war once you have sufficient strength troops, and at least 5 years passed from peace - you cannot afford too much badboy rating, and you need stability.

In the second Ottoman war, basically take everything they have left sans Anatolia, which you will not be able to take as it is their capital. You should have a good amount of manpower and resources to do that, and strategy of blocking the straits with your navy and therefore dividing the Ottomans in half (assuming they still have some European provinces) should work well. After that, it is mop-up work. Everything going your way, you should be able to finish the Ottos off before 1450 or so; then, it is free for all. Just be careful about your badboy rating, and put lots of money into your Land tech research so that you are not too far behind everyone else; your techgroup is Orthodox, which is only second-best in the game after Latin (Western European), and as such advances will come slower for you.

If you don't have too many provinces when Council of Florence event (1439, I think) fires, you can go for Catholic conversion, and get Italian culture - then, you will get an event for converting back (if you are playing ACG-EEP modification, the latest version of which should be on Paradox forums available for download). You will need to convert back to get Byzantine Renaissanse events, so that way you will end up as an Orthodox Byzantium with Italian culture, amongst others, and a way to expand into Italy.

Hope this helps, at least to get you started. From there on, make sure you keep up in military tech, and go for Centers of Trade. Alexandria is a good one to go after, since you already have many Muslim provinces by then and probably have Muslim tolerance slider fairly high, it is done at the expense of the Catholics - do not try to conquer Catholics until after 1521 - when the Reformation begins, you can simply not tolerate Protestants, and as such will not always get religious revolts in Catholic provinces. If you do end up with Catholic provinces, try to set them free as vassals, or station troops there, because until Luther shows up, these are going to be your rebellion hotspots, unless you are willing to lower risk of rebellion there for higher risk everywhere else.

Above all, try not to get too many non-state culture provinces - in your case, try to keep only to Greek, Slavonic, and (if you go through the Catholic conversion event) Italian provinces, releasing everything else as vassals whenever you can - this way you tech costs will stay relatively manageable, and you will not lag too far behind.

Hope this helps!
 
Watch out for the AGC/EEP mod though- for some reason it's never been able to work for me even though I've downloaded it many times and used it on a clean install.
 
How are provinces annexed through war? Sometimes it seems to work and there's a button marked annex, (as in the case of the Duchy of Athens) but sometimes there isn't (as in the case of the Ottoman Empire) and both countries had all of their territories completely under my control.
 
chunkeymonkey13q said:
How are provinces annexed through war? Sometimes it seems to work and there's a button marked annex, (as in the case of the Duchy of Athens) but sometimes there isn't (as in the case of the Ottoman Empire) and both countries had all of their territories completely under my control.
You can only annex a country whole if it has only one province (or if its religion is pagan; see the Aztecs and Incas) other wise you’ll have to take some of their provinces as tribute (but you can’t take everything at once)
 
chunkeymonkey13q said:
Okay, I see and is there anything you can do that will make them more likely to give more of their provinces to you as tribute?
You want to have as high a war score as you can get (if you occupy all their provinces, you should have 100%, thou you might want to make sure to wipe out any stray armies and navies they might still have somehow)
 
How about managing money, it seems I have two choices, bad and worse. I can adjust the slider so that I do not lose as much per month, but then inflation skyrockets, (84%!) or I can adjust it so as to cut down on inflation, but then I lose more per month and am forced to take out an automatic loan with high interest rates.
 
Well, that is the trouble with playing as the Byzantine Empire, isn’t it? Seems your going to have to take out a few loans and suffer inflation if you don’t want to become a province of the Ottoman Empire…






(you could always cheat, if you really want to…)
 
chunkeymonkey13q said:
Those Ottomans don't stand a chance.... Thanks for all of your help and as for cheating, hec no, I don't cheat.

Usually what I do is try not to take out too many loans; it is easier if the Ottomans go after someone other than yourself first, then you can use the time to build tax collectors, and hopefully let the Ottomans suffer some damage while you mint like crazy. If you are not at war, make sure to set your army and navy maintenance level at 50% so that you are not paying the full support when you don't have to. When you are at war, set it to 100%, otherwise your armies will get owned by anyone fighting against them.

Pretty much the idea here is that most of your income comes on January 1st each year, and it has to last you the whole year, so you might have to calculate accordingly; usually, I see what kind of monthly flows I have with treasury slider set to zero (which is where I have it almost all of the time), multiply that number by 12, and add few gold for extra expenses... probably having about 50 gold on hand is always a good idea once you get past that initial situation, but in the beginning, stay in the positive and hope you don't get an event that requires you to pay up. With AGC-EEP, you get a relatively early event for the Byzantines (I think it is 1421) that could get you good amount of cash - the Mustafa event, if you choose to hand him over to the Ottomans (one of the ahistorical options), you get a sizeable amount of cash (I think it is 200, which pretty much is like a free loan without having to pay interest or repay it back) and much better relations with the Ottos on top of that.

When you are at war, you can loot the provinces to gain that extra cash flow when you need it most; the trick is finding a non-looted enemy province, station army there, and set your treasury slider to maximum for one month only. When the new month rolls around, you get extra money from that enemy province, and it changes to looted status, in which it will remain for 13 months. Set your treasury slider back down to what it was, and repeat the process. You don't have to capture the province either; this way you could actually gain income from warfare, and have a reason to continue fighting (well, sort of) even after the enemy has been thoroughly defeated and has no ability to fight back. Just watch that war exhaustion score, when it gets too high, you will start having revolts, which are annoying at the least, and dangerous at the most.

The basic idea is to save up for the war, and then use your savings to maintain armies in the field even if your current cash flow alone cannot, while you hope to win before your treasury runs out, which is kind of realistic - war must be good for business, to paraphrase a saying. Once you out of a desperate situation (such as the one Byzantium is in at the beginning), you can afford to do that, and even maybe repay those loans back.
 
Okay, thanks. Just wondering if any of you have had any compatibility issues with both games after installing the expansion pack, because it won’t let me even run it.
 
chunkeymonkey13q said:
Okay, thanks. Just wondering if any of you have had any compatibility issues with both games after installing the expansion pack, because it won’t let me even run it.
which two games EUIIand?
 
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