Euro-American split

With any pod after 1944, make it so that relations between the United States and the EU/EEA/European Bloc deteriorate as much as possible. Make it so that it gets so bad, that each side at the very least throws heavy sactions at each other. If you get can get it to the level of war, that would be good too. But how would we get this? I'm thinking a messier Suez crisis.

Maybe a weaker soviet union that gets far enough to defeat the Nazis but they end up occupying less territory than otl, so that countries that where part of the eastern bloc otl can be with western europe, thus providing more members to the EU or EU equivalent.
 
United States becomes so harshly anti-Leftism that it doesn't accept even social democracy and tries oust any even bit leftist government which annoys Europe. Perhaps if USA too tries keep segregation policy around and is even more conservative than Europe.

Or then European nations tries keep stubbornly their colonies and this damage relationships between USA and European nations.
 
This is hard to do with the OTL set up of 'USSR sitting on Eastern Europe and terrifying the western half". If you can somehow come up with a POD in WW2 that allows the USSR to be held inside it's own borders while the other allies conquer Germany, you could get this OP... but that is really hard to do...
 
Maybe Taft become president in 48 instead of Truman, NATO don't exist and at most the USA sign a treaty with a similar clause as art.5 of NATO but limit themself to OTL military help and not put troops in Western Europe and so the European nations sign the EDC treaty (probably modified to look more like OTL NATO).
 
France and Britan decide to Invade Egypt during the Suez Crisis. All the European NATO countries back Britain and France and join the war against Egypt. This results in the US withdrawing from NATO. The US might take Canada with them, if this were to happen Canada would become a Republic, free from the Commonwealth, and might eventually join the US. Which would be interesting.
 
How about during the Suez Canal Crisis, the USSR sees the potential for a "European-American Split" in the Western world?

After the overwhelming military successes of the UK France and Israel, the USSR believes that Egypt and the Arabs are a lost cause and secretly decides to dump them.

So when the US threatens its allies with economic blackmail, the USSR covertly steps in to support the UK, France and Israel - by any military and economic means.

This has the snowball effect of angering the US further who escalates action further against the UK/Fr/Israel, while the USSR keeps throwing fuel into the fire, supporting the UK/Fr/Israel and using them as proxies against the US.

Publicly the USSR continues to support the Arab world and anti colonialism, but behind the scenes is manipulating a "split" in the Western world and playing off the two sides against each other.
 
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How about during the Suez Canal Crisis, the USSR sees the potential for a "European-American Split" in the Western world?

After the overwhelming military successes of the UK France and Israel, the USSR believes that Egypt and the Arabs are a lost cause and secretly decides to dump them.

So when the US threatens its allies with economic blackmail, the USSR covertly steps in to support the UK, France and Israel - by any military and economic means.

This has the cyclical effect of angering the US further who escalates action further against the UK/Fr/Israel, while the USSR keeps throwing fuel into the fire, supporting the UK/Fr/Israel and using them as proxies against the US.

Publicly the USSR continues to support the Arab world and anti colonialism, but behind the scenes is manipulating a "split" in the Western world and playing off the two sides against each other.
Could it escalate to war between america and europe?
 
France and Britan decide to Invade Egypt during the Suez Crisis. All the European NATO countries back Britain and France and join the war against Egypt. This results in the US withdrawing from NATO. The US might take Canada with them, if this were to happen Canada would become a Republic, free from the Commonwealth, and might eventually join the US. Which would be interesting.

There's no neccessary synonymity between "becoming a republic" and "quitting the Commonwealth", and in any case, I don't think an elevated Suez Crisis would make Canadians want to do either.

And I think it would take a bit more than just agreement over one foreign-policy crisis to make Canadians want to join the USA.
 
How about during the Suez Canal Crisis, the USSR sees the potential for a "European-American Split" in the Western world?

After the overwhelming military successes of the UK France and Israel, the USSR believes that Egypt and the Arabs are a lost cause and secretly decides to dump them.

So when the US threatens its allies with economic blackmail, the USSR covertly steps in to support the UK, France and Israel - by any military and economic means.

This has the cyclical effect of angering the US further who escalates action further against the UK/Fr/Israel, while the USSR keeps throwing fuel into the fire, supporting the UK/Fr/Israel and using them as proxies against the US.

Publicly the USSR continues to support the Arab world and anti colonialism, but behind the scenes is manipulating a "split" in the Western world and playing off the two sides against each other.

Is it possible for the USSR to keep their military and financial support for the UK/France/Israel a secret? If not, then RUSSIA SENDS GUNS AND MONEY TO KILL ARABS becomes a headline in the NYT, and it's gonna absolutely destroy any credibility the USSR has as a champion of third-world liberation. Which was basically their calling-card going into the 1960s and beyond.
 
Could it escalate to war between america and europe?
No, that Alantic ocean makes such a war between the two impossible.

There's no neccessary synonymity between "becoming a republic" and "quitting the Commonwealth", and in any case, I don't think an elevated Suez Crisis would make Canadians want to do either.

And I think it would take a bit more than just agreement over one foreign-policy crisis to make Canadians want to join the USA.
The geographic distance between the US/Canada and Europe is pretty big. After a Euro-American split the US would try to have Canada cut it’s ties to Europe. This would be the US using it’s massive Navy to cut transalantic cables and use the CIA to covertly make anti-British sentiment popular in Canada. Because these two countries are nabores and are very culturally similar this would be easy. A CIA backed government in Canada would quickly rise, cut ties with Europe and from there by the time the 70s rolls around the countries decide to merge due to a common foreign policy and culture.
 
Not my area but...

The US was doing two things for Europe.
1. Defending against the Reds.
2. Paying for reconstruction.

The second point was the killer. It was how the US had the UK over a barrel at Suez.

So how do you disconnect Europe from all those juicy reconstruction dollars?
 
I do not believe that an American-European split can take place with a single event.
But if I had to set a POD, I would opt for a successful EDC initiative and a consequent failure to bring European unification to a standstill.
The common defence policy lays the foundations for a common foreign policy and closer cooperation on security policy.
In response to the Lockheed scandal, the French are able to put a stronger focus on the procurement of European weapon systems, which means for the US that its arms companies export fewer weapon systems to Europe.
Economic integration and the resulting prosperity create a need to return to a more independent foreign policy.
This would lead to tensions with the Americans, as both sides do not always pursue the same interests.
However, the public tries to play down the differences in order not to endanger the common front against the USSR.
The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact have caused the Western Alliance to disintegrate in the absence of a common enemy to eclipse the differences.
A similar neoconservative policy as under Bush Jr. would then be enough to lead to a final break.
 
With any pod after 1944, make it so that relations between the United States and the EU/EEA/European Bloc deteriorate as much as possible. Make it so that it gets so bad, that each side at the very least throws heavy sactions at each other. If you get can get it to the level of war, that would be good too. But how would we get this? I'm thinking a messier Suez crisis.

Maybe a weaker soviet union that gets far enough to defeat the Nazis but they end up occupying less territory than otl, so that countries that where part of the eastern bloc otl can be with western europe, thus providing more members to the EU or EU equivalent.
For All Time does it. Basically, USA goes isolationist after WW2, plus Wallace being the president during the war and screwing their relationship with the Brits.
 
Europe would need to be bigger or more secure, I would think.

If Hungary and Bulgaria succeeded in flipping to the allied side and then declaring war on Germany, they could perhaps escape Soviet domination. Hungary proceeds to be forced into an Austria-like neutral status. Czechoslovakia avoids the Communist coup and likewise is a neutral buffer state. Yugoslavia is an independent Socialist state just like OTL. TTL, the concept of a "Central Europe" (Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia) as the buffer between east and west is a significant geopolitican concept.

In 1957, the Suez Crisis forces a near break between Britain and France and the Americans. The British and French secretly begin prepping to be able to resist American pressure.

In 1962, Adenaur successfully negotiates the exchange of West Berlin for Thuringia, Schwering, and Leipzig. With the Falda gap issue solved, a border on the Elbe, and the Central European buffer, Europe feels secure in terms of security.

By 1970 Western Europe has split from the US, content with its own nuclear umbrella and a line of buffer states.
 
So how do you disconnect Europe from all those juicy reconstruction dollars?

Simple. Delay the Atomic Bomb program. The US funds that OTL went towards a Marshall Plan go instead towards Operation Downfall and a continued war economy. Without Marshall Plan aid and with America focusing more on Asia (especially easy if, say, Japanese troops in China refuse to surrender and the Soviets never invade for some reason, leading to the US having to invade the Chinese landmass and get involved in the Chinese Civil War), Communist parties grow somewhat in popularity, but also distance themselves from the Soviets. The European Overton Window broadly moves left, with the dividing line being Eurocommunist types and Socdems rather than Socdems and Christian Democrats/'Conservatives'. From that (at least continental) Europeans move away from both the US and Russia, though between cultural connections and a broadly more right-leaning politics the UK might stay more pro-American...unless and until an alt-Suez crisis rolls around
 
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