EU4: The Saga of the VinlandAARS

Faeelin

Because obviously I'd want to make this:

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The idea behind this mod will be a (loosely) historical explanation of North America after it's been opened, albeit narrowly, to Europe via Vinland. Expect Native Americans to have access to cavalry units from the getgo, along with a faster tech tree.
 

Faeelin

Why should it be Norse? Island became Christian around the time Vinland was discovered; Greenland was Christian.

Maybe an odd offshoot of Christianity, but Norse? How?
 

Faeelin

Dom Joao II said:
Vinlandic Christianity would make sense since it would not feasibly have contact with the pope.
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But would it be different, or would they be hicks who saw themselves as Catholic?

There was a bishop in Greenland, and one of the people who actually reached Vinland in OTL ended her days having gone on pilgrimage to Rome, so it may be a mistake to presume that the Norse would be out of touch.
 
LNSS

LNSS

Christo-Norse? Lack of contact with Rome might allow for some specifics of paganism to leak into the Christianity of the Vinlanders.
 

BBadolato

Have you talked with the guy who made who made the old Vinland with a Vinlandic civil war, a faction system, and powerful natives in the north.
 

Lars Porsenna

Banned
Faeelin said:
There was a bishop in Greenland, and one of the people who actually reached Vinland in OTL ended her days having gone on pilgrimage to Rome, so it may be a mistake to presume that the Norse would be out of touch.
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But Greenland was only occupied until the late 1300's; due to the Little Ice Age that began a bit before then, Greenland would become unoccupied in any TL, and thus any settlers in Vinland (or, even better, further south, for a longer growing season and milder weather) would become isolated from Europe. A temperate climate, new land, and maybe-violent natives all mean that these Vinlanders won't have the time or experience to traverse the ocean; all their time will be spent homesteading.

Even in Greenland there were always gaps of a few years (and in the case of the last bishop, 21 years) between the death of the old bishop and the sending of a new one to Gardar from Nidaros. In the last case there was no bishop from 1347 to 1368, and no bishop at all after he died ten years later; this shows how disconnected Greenland was from Rome, and how the settlements were all abandoned and forgotten due to forces of nature. Make no mistake about it, Greenland culture and involvement in Europe in AD 1100 was much greater than activity in the 1300's and beyond. OP (and the game involved) have a date set at AD 1444, which is loooooong after Norse Greenlanders ceased to exist.
 

Lars Porsenna

Banned
Faeelin said:
So, what should the ideas of Vinlandic Christianity be?
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If they intermarry with and maintain friendly relations with the Native Americans (likely, given the Norse track record so far), then Vinlandic Christianity should be a syncretism of Catholic Christianity, Norse folk tales and myths (as happened in OTL), and Native American beliefs.

If you go for a truly interracial society, then a good tale would be how the Bear (representing the Norse) traveled to Vinland from across the sea, and how his brother the Eagle (the Abenaki solar deity, representing them) helped him build his house, helped him cultivate his lands, and showed him the best places to hunt. Then they coexisted together, in peace, and married each other's daughters (or something like that).

The Norse brought the wheel (and the large draft animals to pull wheeled carts) and a few iron implements while the Abenaki (or whoever) provided better hunting techniques and a knowledge of the land.
 
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