Es Geloybte Aretz - a Germanwank

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I think Paul Robeson was pretty good with it:

Long live our German Fatherland
built by the people's mighty hand.
Long live its people united and free
strong in a friendship tried by fire
long may its Red-White-Black inspire
shining in glory for all men to see.

[chorus]

We fought for the future
destroyed the invader
and brought to our homeland
the laurels of fame.
Our glory will live in the memory of nations
and all generations will honor its name.

Always admired the nations/generations half rhyme.
 
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I've given the theme tune a bit of thought myself. Initially, I figured that it would have to be the Dessauer Marsch, but it's really too one-dimensionalö a piece of music. Catchy, but not really how this Germany ticks.

In case you haven't heard it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAjs9dbOMmQ

Now, I increasingly think that "Ich Trage eine Fahne" fits best. Except that the text would need to be completely rewritten, of course. It is versatile, catchy, and twentieth-century in every respect. You can sing it in a choir or a band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFN0fGbRc8

It works as formal military music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDJNgMh1f00

And "zur Klampfe" (sing-along guitar music will be culturally hugely important in postwar Germany):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRjJ8DjBgk

That leaves the problem of its obviously unsuitable origin.

"Ich trage eine Fahne
Die Fahne ist schwarz-weiss-rot
Es ist die Fahne des Reiches
Das uns zu streiten gebot
Für Einheit, für Freiheit und Frieden
Dem Feinde zum Trotz und der Not
..."

Anyone good with poetry?

I...don't even speak German and I've loved that song for years (in the third form).
That said, what are you going to steal next? Brüder seht die Deutsche Fahne? Die Mackensen Kolonne / Polen Himmel!?
 
John,

it's a German thing. It's not meant as a a slur on socialist credentials, I am just not happy with the flag mystique. I added a character to my post.
 
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This is my hypothetical Q-Bam of the post Treaty of Brussels world. Mistakes are likely so feel free to criticise:

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Neat map, though the Balkans look in desperate need of someone to make some proper borders, this just looks horrible (and unrecognisable, which is an even greater sin ;) )
 
Unrecognisability is my own fault. I just don't see the 1878 (or so) to 1911 (or so) borders a lot ;)
Please don't worry about it, these borders are very unstable and it is amazing they lasted as long as they did OTL. However ITL the Ottomans are victorious and allied with Germany and Austria. Austria herself decided she doesn't want to annex anymore of the Balkans, which was a decision they didn't make OTL, by not annexing Montenegro when the chance was presented. Serbia is now a puppet with no ability to project to the South. Bulgaria was supported for independence by Russia who now has no say in what happens in the Balkans, the Greeks are no friend of Germany and have no ability to take Macedonia without third party support.

So it is anyone's guess what happens.
 
Unless I've forgotten something huge, Japan doesn't have Manchuria. They may even have lost bits of Korea in losing their war with Russia--remember, the one that motivated them to support some insurgent black ops in Poland, the ones Wilhelm thought would be a neat bit of derring-do to help the Japanese with.

The one that was Russia's reason for starting this latest big war.

I kept waiting for the Japanese to pile on as Russia began going down for the count. I guess they were too messed up by the last war to be ready for a rematch, even with Russia already on the ropes.

On paper anyway, Manchuria isn't carved out of Russia, it is taken from China, so while this time frame may have been a less costly time for Japan to take it, it would mean starting a new war, and while China had no true friends, there were a lot of great powers circling around who had interests there, so for Japan to move on Manchuria would be a real case of rocking the boat. Russia would have been one of the powers wanting to deter such a move on Japan's part, but other European powers, and even at this early date the USA, would not approve either.

Now I worry I did forget something, either a curious turn of the old Russo-Japanese war or Japan launching some adventure or other. But I still don't think they'd be allowed to just claim Manchuria!

Now, given that Japan is per OTL anyway a British ally at this point, and that the Germans have very cordial relations too, and Germany and Britain have decently good relations with each other, I could see the Japanese being given carte blanche as far as they are concerned to start treating Manchuria like a protectorate--to have lots of exploitive investments there, and interfere with the nominal government, enjoy extraterritorial privileges there, and so on...so it might (if we ever get confirmation of those things happening there that is) have it cross-hatched in both Japanese and Chinese colors. But not a formal addition to the Japanese Empire, not yet!
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Thought it might be prudent to read up a bit on Manchuria OTL before posting this; here are some relevant bits from Wikipedia (History of Manchuria)

To the north, the boundary with Russian Siberia was fixed by the Treaty of Nerchinsk (1689) as running along the watershed of the Stanovoy Mountains. South of the Stanovoy Mountains, the basin of the Amur and its tributaries belonged to the Qing Empire. North of the Stanovoy Mountains, the Uda Valley and Siberia belonged to the Russian Empire. In 1858, a weakening Qing Empire was forced to cede Manchuria north of the Amur to Russia under the Treaty of Aigun; however, Qing subjects were allowed to continue to reside, under the Qing authority, in a small region on the now-Russian side of the river, known as the Sixty-Four Villages East of the River.
In 1860, at the Convention of Peking, the Russians managed to acquire a further large slice of Manchuria, east of the Ussuri River. As a result, Manchuria was divided into a Russian half known as "Outer Manchuria", and a remaining Chinese half known as "Inner Manchuria". In modern literature, "Manchuria" usually refers to Inner (Chinese) Manchuria. (cf. Inner and Outer Mongolia). As a result of the Treaties of Aigun and Peking, China lost access to the Sea of Japan. The Qing government began to actively encourage Han Chinese citizens to move into Manchuria since then.
The Manza War in 1868 was the first attempt by Russia to expel Chinese from territory it controlled. Hostilities broke out around Vladivostok when the Russians tried to shut off gold mining operations and expel Chinese workers there...Inner Manchuria also came under strong Russian influence with the building of the Chinese Eastern Railway through Harbin to Vladivostok. Some poor Korean farmers moved there. In Chuang Guandong many Han farmers, mostly from Shandong peninsula moved there, attracted by cheap farmland that was ideal for growing soybeans.
During the Boxer Rebellion in 1899–1900, Russian soldiers killed ten-thousand Chinese (Manchu, Han Chinese and Daur people) living in Blagoveshchensk and Sixty-Four Villages East of the River.[25][26] In revenge, the Chinese Honghuzi conducted guerilla warfare against the Russian occupation of Manchuria and sided with Japan against Russia during the Russo-Japanese War.

{my bolding. Note that we are into butterflied times by this point, but my point would be that there would be little reason to expect Japan to get formal claims on the territory recognized--especially because ITTL they don't win.:p But they do have some leverage with the regional native and recent Han immigrants it would seem!}

From 1911 to 1931 Manchuria was nominally part of the Republic of China. In practice it was controlled by Japan, which worked through local warlords.

And so that was pretty much my guess as to the nature of Japanese power in Manchuria--no formal power, but lots of influence. ITTL their defeat would put them on the back foot, but perhaps make them all the more sympathetic and attractive to their fellow East Asians who also suffer at Russian hands.

I am nagged by the vague memory of some discussion by carlton_bach of schemes in the Far East against Russia, but IIRC they are either actions of British-coordinated Central Asians or the deeds of units affiliated with the official Chinese government, which at this point ITTL as well as OTL, is still the Qing Dynasty. OTL that dynasty would be overthrown in a matter of years leading to a nominal Chinese Republic, but of course that Republic had very little central control and China was actually parceled out among local warlords--or regions under foreign influence.

As long as the dynasty holds, however weakly and nominally, it would be embarrassing to powers like Britain to recognize a formal Japanese sphere of influence in Manchuria.

But while I do think you should strike it from the map as a full-on possession of Japan, it looks more and more like there would indeed be a predominant degree of Japanese influence there.
 
Japan lost the russo-japanese war TTL? Are you sure coz I thought they won but they are swimming in a lot of debt and are really instabil financially. Could someone with the time end energy to read back enlighten me?

Anyway, about the Balkans: It seems that on the map Romania already has south Dobrudja which they acquired OTL in the Balkan wars which didnt happen TTL.
 
Japan lost the russo-japanese war TTL? Are you sure coz I thought they won but they are swimming in a lot of debt and are really instabil financially. Could someone with the time end energy to read back enlighten me?

Anyway, about the Balkans: It seems that on the map Romania already has south Dobrudja which they acquired OTL in the Balkan wars which didnt happen TTL.
This is the most important post from the voice of God:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=10871792&postcount=5713

Technically not yet, but effectively yes. The Russians transferred their mandate to the Japanese at the end of the war, and they have made sure Chinese sovereignty in Manchuria is at best a polite fiction.

So Japan have control of Manchuria but not in de jure so it is of course outlined in Chinese Green so I think that is correct as is. Korea is wrong as that is also technically independent but heavily influenced by Japan, so that needs changing. And Alas I got Romania wrong too.
 
Also need to make Guam U.S. territory (a small niggle).

A little surprised that, in addition to the islands, Sweden wouldn't ask for a just a little more of Lapland - like, say, at least Enontekiö. But that's for Carlton to say.
 
Also need to make Guam U.S. territory (a small niggle).

A little surprised that, in addition to the islands, Sweden wouldn't ask for a just a little more of Lapland - like, say, at least Enontekiö. But that's for Carlton to say.
Guam is already a US territory I am pretty sure :)

So I also wasn't sure whether Bosnia-Herzegovina had been formally annexed and decided it probably hadn't been.

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24 May 1908, Paris

“Your Highness, you should not go.”

Count Witte’s pleading had taken on an almost desperate quality. Grand Duke Sergei Romanov grunted noncommittally and picked up another one of the reports that littered the table of his hotel suite.

“I should tuck in my tail and scarper, you mean?” he finally said.

Witte barely flinched. That man had grown a spine over the last months! Sergei approved of that kind of thing.

“The dignity of the Empire is at stake, Your Highness.”, the count explained. “As a diplomat, humiliation is part of my profession. For a prince of the imperial house to suffer thus would entail much greater loss of face.”

The grand duke shrugged, “The negotiations in Baden…”

“Your Highness.”

Sergei looked up. Witte had actually interrupted him! “Yes, Count Witte?”

“There will be no negotiations.” Count Witte held the prince’s gaze, visibly shaken. “The Germans know the state of our forces. They are calling us to Baden to sign our surrender in the same building that they created their sham kingdom of Poland. Nothing is subject to negotiation. You cannot be seen under such circumstances.”

The duke flipped through the narrow typescript pages the Army Office had prepared: Guns and munitions surrendered, roll calls unanswered, units dissolving through absenteeism, fortresses occupied by German troops in surety against a surreptitious offensive they had no way of carrying out had they wanted to. The Germans had to know, at least in broad outline, the state of their forces. A display of sheer strength of character from a member of the imperial family might overawe them, but would it be worth risking? He recalled the open stares of French hotel staff, the flinty glare of the well-dressed bourgeois his carriage passed by in the street. Russia’s standing in the world had suffered greatly – perhaps more than he could imagine. Slowly, he laid down the report on the polished inlay of the table.

“Very well, Count Witte.” He finally conceded. “I will take the issue under advisement.”

Witte nodded obediently, accepting the decision handed down by his lord. He had won.

“Will Your Highness wish to remain in Paris for the duration of the Baden Conference to be in easy reach of couriers?” he asked officiously.

“No.” Sergei shook his head almost violently, looking down at his now almost useless, swollen legs. “I will take up residence on the Riviera. You may telegraph any questions in code, I am sure. It does not appear our wishes will signify much at this point.”
 
Sorry not to have responded earlier, I've been extremely busy. Will look at the map in detail soonish, but it looks good in general. The Ottomans will get some bits in the Caucasus, but not much. The Japanese indeed own Manchuria, though it's technically CHinese, and Korea, though it's technically independent.

Kvasir, thank you VERY much for doing this.
 
Great update, Carlton. I think you played this one right.

As an aside, I'll be curious to see what the Götterdämmerung of Turkish rule in the Balkans (well, at least outside eastern Thrace, which I presume they still have a chance to hold onto, as in OTL) ends up looking like, even if you only cover it in outline.
 
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