Enver Pasha and Mustafa Kamal Ataturk killed in Libya

Shortly before the First World War, these two influential Ottoman officers saw action in a brief war with Italy over Libya. What would have happened had they been killed?
 

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without those guys we might get a little OE in what is OTL turkey them

Possibly, but without a decent GNA would a “Anatolian Ottoman Empire” survive the thirties? If it’s an Ottoman regime along the lines of OTL-post Sevres, would the Soviets allow it to carry along uninterrupted?
 
Possibly, but without a decent GNA would a “Anatolian Ottoman Empire” survive the thirties? If it’s an Ottoman regime along the lines of OTL-post Sevres, would the Soviets allow it to carry along uninterrupted?

I could see the Soviets taking the territory that got allotted to Armenia in Sevres OTL, but I think they would see a rump "Ottoman Empire" as a useful buffer state.
 
Wasn't Kemal really important at Gallipoli?

Enver gets alot of bad press, but if the Turks somehow lose at Gallipoli that cancels out a half a dozen defeats against the Russians.
 
Wasn't Kemal really important at Gallipoli?

Enver gets alot of bad press, but if the Turks somehow lose at Gallipoli that cancels out a half a dozen defeats against the Russians.
yes he was, hell the reason he became so important was because he was the only winning general in WWI
 

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I could see the Soviets taking the territory that got allotted to Armenia in Sevres OTL, but I think they would see a rump "Ottoman Empire" as a useful buffer state.

It depends doesn’t it? The “Ottoman Empire” that would come out of OTL Sevres wouldn’t be a ‘buffer’, it would be a WAllied puppet. That’s why I think the Soviets would try to destabilise it. It’d be an enemy state, as opposed to the OTL Kemalist neutral state.

Wasn't Kemal really important at Gallipoli?

Enver gets alot of bad press, but if the Turks somehow lose at Gallipoli that cancels out a half a dozen defeats against the Russians.

I don’t think Kemal was that important at Gallipoli. He was a divisional commander as opposed to in charge of the whole effort, like he was in the War of Independence. Don’t get me wrong, he didn’t disgrace himself, but others could have replaced him at Gallipoli, given the weakness of the WAllied effort. His latter fame was embellished by his efforts at Gallipoli, but he wasn’t the only officer to do well on the Turkish side.
 
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