Entente dreadnoughts trapped in the Baltic 1914

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/war...uadron-caught-at-kiel-august-1914-t10464.html

https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ig-albert-stuck-in-pacific-1914.414921/page-2

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hms-vanguard-explodes-at-kiel-june-26-1914.397572/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_France

Based on the Wikipedia article and threads above, if the major Entente powers [France and Britain] decide to send 2 dreadnoughts on a goodwill and experimental cruise to the Baltic with and the dreadnoughts have remain there after the July crisis started without the ability to return home due to engine or underwater hull damage from accidents or malfunction while in Russia, what happens?

If the 2 French dreadnoughts [France and Jean Bart] visiting Russia in July 1914 couldn't leave St. Petersburg with the French president by 1 August 1914 due to hull damage from grounding, collision or some diplomatic or supply issue, what happens afterwards? Especially with the French president stranded in Russia from this day with the dreadnoughts and with the dreadnoughts unable to reinforce the Mediterranean or Britain. Assuming diplomacy goes as in reality [otl from 28 June to the German declaration of war on 1 August].

If the French dreadnoughts were very badly damaged by collision in the Baltic in July 1914 and were forced by circumstances to spend time in a German dockyard from the collision to the German invasion of Belgium and France, what happens? Finally, without the French dreadnoughts in the Mediterranean [and Goeben still in action to tie up [at least 2 or 3] British battlecruisers off Constantinople or in the Mediterranean along with the threat of the Italian Fleet in August 1914], how would Italy and Austria-Hungary react naval wise? If confiscated for German service, what happens?
 
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Assuming the French president gets to leave Russia without the damaged and stranded dreadnoughts already stranded in the Baltic to carry him home, what happens?
 
Based on the Wikipedia article and threads above, if the major Entente powers [France and Britain] decide to send 2 dreadnoughts on a goodwill and experimental cruise to the Baltic with and the dreadnoughts have remain there after the July crisis started without the ability to return home due to engine or underwater hull damage from accidents or malfunction while in Russia, what happens?

Net win for the Allies, I would say. Margin of superiority was always (realistically) favoring the Allies in the North Sea. At least RN dreadnoughts in the Baltic would be much more effective than their Russian counterparts due to superior training and more aggressive leadership, like British submarines were vastly more effective than their Russian counterparts even when used in minor numbers.

After some spectacular initial operations it is likely that German Navy would be required to keep a larger number of dreadnoughts in the Baltic in order to suppress them.

As for French dreadnoughts, harder to say.
 
I am talking of French dreadnoughts and their absence in the Mediterranean due to stranding in the Baltic. And, there's the possibility of confiscation by Germany or scuttling due to very heavy damage besides refuge in Russian or neutral Baltic ports.
 
I am talking of French dreadnoughts and their absence in the Mediterranean due to stranding in the Baltic. And, there's the possibility of confiscation by Germany or scuttling due to very heavy damage besides refuge in Russian or neutral Baltic ports.

If the said ships are confiscated by Germany it would be a long time before they could be utilized by Germany. Elimination of two French battleships would not change naval war in any significant way.

If they are stuck in Russian ports this would open possibilities for more aggressive Russian naval operations in the Baltic and at very least forcing to keep more German naval strength in the Baltic. I'd think the best way of using these ships would be in using the ships as a feint, ie. putting rumours on Anglo-French project to make landing in Denmark and Northern German coast in addition to Baltic Project materializing from UK.

Internment of the ships in Sweden or Denmark would mean that French would gain two battleships for interwar period which would not be war-weary, ie. open possibilities for modernization.
 
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While the "trapped" dreadnaughts could be effective - it might only be for a short while. Depending on which class of ships was involved, it would be difficult to resupply ammunition - also routine and major repairs might be complicated or impossible due to lack of spare parts.
 
Germany has to keep an equivalent force in the Baltic. Result staus quo maintained.
Depends on if the short term results in the French not breaking the blockade of Montenegro, or having to slow their troop transfers from North Africa, because now they only have 2 dreads in the Mediterranean, compared to 4 for Austria-Hungary. Either could have a big enough impact on the land fronts, not immediately decisive but enough to get the butterflies flapping in earnest
 
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