English Aristocracy Planted in North America

Any possibility of the English aristocracy acquiring a permanent position in the north American colonies? That implies full privielges, Including a seat in the House of Lords?
 
I suppose it is fully possible, as well as the creation of a colonial nobility as well. I don't know why there never was an actual nobility implanted, although the English never really tried.
 
The original charters for colonies were mostly to aristocrats. The families don't seem to have followed up on that opening.

Maybe they became focused on fox hunting and the club as the colonial era to hold from the latter 17th Century? No time for actually managing something off in the wilderness?
 
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They'd be commuting, something like the wealthy commoners or Spanish aristocracy did. Perhaps many would spend the bulk of their time in London. Bottom line is their aristocratic title would be tied to Pennsylvania or Carolina vs Yorkshire or Sussex.
 
Any possibility of the English aristocracy acquiring a permanent position in the north American colonies? That implies full privielges, Including a seat in the House of Lords?

Maybe as a way of legitimizing bastards, by putting an ocean between you and your unwanted get? Or preventing squabbles between older and younger siblings? As for titles, I agree with Carl Schwamberger, its basically academic the only difference would be Duke of Boston as opposed to Duke of Cambridge.
 
The Cassique is what I am thinking of, and the First Families of Virginia and Maryland might eventually take up titles if the Deep Southern colonies have them off the bat.

They would be titled but I do think they would be glorified gentry and not much else. The South had aristocrats via its planter class in OTL and this is merely legitimizing them.

Perception is everything though. New England and the Mid-Atlantic would eventually be put off by having aristocrats follow them to the New World via the south.
 
The Cassique is what I am thinking of, and the First Families of Virginia and Maryland might eventually take up titles if the Deep Southern colonies have them off the bat.

They would be titled but I do think they would be glorified gentry and not much else. The South had aristocrats via its planter class in OTL and this is merely legitimizing them.

Perception is everything though. New England and the Mid-Atlantic would eventually be put off by having aristocrats follow them to the New World via the south.

Thats what I was thinking, the colonies would diverge further politically & socially were the aristocracy firmly implanted.

Well if Patroons and Jonkeers from the New Netherlands become ennobled by the English as a way of winning them over, too, then we have more northern aristocrats as well...
 
Well if Patroons and Jonkeers from the New Netherlands become ennobled by the English as a way of winning them over, too, then we have more northern aristocrats as well...

True that, but a revolt in 1753 in Rensselaerwyck patroon by local Yankee tenants exposed how weak they were already, to say nothing of things by the Revolution. I see Patroons fading away like OTL.

The planters in Dixie are big enough as a group to become a lasting upper class, enobled or not.
 
True that, but a revolt in 1753 in Rensselaerwyck patroon by local Yankee tenants exposed how weak they were already, to say nothing of things by the Revolution. I see Patroons fading away like OTL.

The planters in Dixie are big enough as a group to become a lasting upper class, enobled or not.

True. Though, I think 100 years of actual ennoblement might change things, especially any revolution with a titled nobility in the colonies.
 
Perception is everything though. New England and the Mid-Atlantic would eventually be put off by having aristocrats follow them to the New World via the south.
Pennsylvania had a Proprietor, like Maryland. Calvert of Maryland was Lord Baltimore. WI William Penn gets a title of Baron, with right to show up at Westminster when visiting England?
 
Pennsylvania had a Proprietor, like Maryland. Calvert of Maryland was Lord Baltimore. WI William Penn gets a title of Baron, with right to show up at Westminster when visiting England?

That would help slowly slide the Mid-Atlantic to the idea, if at a glacial pace. I know many Quakers converted back to Anglicanism in the 18th century, Penns included, which was also happening in New York and New Jersey with the Dutch speakers. Penn himself certainly acted like a noble's son even if he was a cool dude overall, building Pennsbury Manor. Becoming more establishment re:titles and religion only helps.

Still would have the Mid-Atlantic nobles be pitiful in numbers and power vis-à-vis the Southern cassiques but the precedent would be there.
 
I think any Mid Atlantic and New England nobility would be heavily involved with business and trading in comparison to the Southern aristocracy. Maybe come an industrial revolution the northern nobles compete with each other to see who can have the most success in factories, canals and railroads.
 
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