England Stays Catholic
- Thread starter Landshark
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Thande
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Easy. Either Catherine of Aragon produces a son; the Pope gives Henry the 1/8th his divorce; Mary produces a son with Philip of Spain; Mary has Elizabeth killed and allows the line to pass to the Spanish; the Spanish Armada succeeds in conquering England; or Charles I manages to hang on and the Stuarts subtly reintroduce Catholicism. The earlier ones are more interesting, I think, as both the Henry and Mary ones would produce a joint English-Spanish monarchy (which was only present for five years in OTL) which might become virtually unstoppable, particularly concerning New World colonisation.
Don't forget about Henry's older brother, Arthur. He lives to produce a couple of heirs on Catherine of Aragon. Henry Tudor leads a successful adventure to the new world. The ruling house of a Catholic England is the House of Tudor-Habsburg-Stuart.
For a much better senario check out Kingsley Amis' book, THE ALTERATION. In that world, Martin Luther went to see the Pope, and later was elected Pope Adrian II. Arthur and Henry ended up having the English Civil War earlier.
For a much better senario check out Kingsley Amis' book, THE ALTERATION. In that world, Martin Luther went to see the Pope, and later was elected Pope Adrian II. Arthur and Henry ended up having the English Civil War earlier.
Max Sinister
Banned
Let's assume this is true. How do we know that neither the Tricky Dick of England nor one of his successors would introduce their own church / convert to Protestantism? All the Scandinavian kings did, since the pope was too far away and they wanted the fortune of the church...
We have three main routes we could go to have England remain Catholic. First, Henry VIII's older brother, Prince Arthur, not dying of a fever in Wales in 1502. According to Wikipedia, Prince Arthur was never a very robust child, so maybe change it so that Arthur is very robust, and he lives long enough to produce children and succed his father as King Arthur I.
The second option are the three sons that Katherine of Aragon bore to King Henry before the birth of Bloody Mary. His first son, Henry the Duke of Cornwall, was born on January 1 1511 and died on February 22 1511. His second son, who was unnamed, was born and died in November 1513, and if he survives, let us call him Arthur. Henry's third son, also Henry the Duke of Cornwall, was born and died in December 1514. He had a fourth son by Anne Boleyn born and died on January 29 1536, the younger brother of the future Queen Elizabeth. If any of these four boys had lived, Henry would have had an acceptable heir.
Our third choice is with Queen Mary or Elizabeth. If we go back nine months before their births, we could change which every way the sperm went to create a male heir for King Henry. Mary would be the more acceptable choice because she was the eldest and final child of Katherine of Aragon. If she was born a boy, she would most likely be named Henry the Duke of Cornwall, and would become King Henry IX in 1547 after Henry VIII dies.
The second option are the three sons that Katherine of Aragon bore to King Henry before the birth of Bloody Mary. His first son, Henry the Duke of Cornwall, was born on January 1 1511 and died on February 22 1511. His second son, who was unnamed, was born and died in November 1513, and if he survives, let us call him Arthur. Henry's third son, also Henry the Duke of Cornwall, was born and died in December 1514. He had a fourth son by Anne Boleyn born and died on January 29 1536, the younger brother of the future Queen Elizabeth. If any of these four boys had lived, Henry would have had an acceptable heir.
Our third choice is with Queen Mary or Elizabeth. If we go back nine months before their births, we could change which every way the sperm went to create a male heir for King Henry. Mary would be the more acceptable choice because she was the eldest and final child of Katherine of Aragon. If she was born a boy, she would most likely be named Henry the Duke of Cornwall, and would become King Henry IX in 1547 after Henry VIII dies.
I wonder which language would come to dominate or would it be a "spanglish" language.
Brilliantlight
Banned
Carpo said:
A successful Gunpowder Plot is far more likely to lead to a more violent suppression of Catholics then OTL.
Easy: No Protestant schism. CChurch reforms instead OR England gets national control over the Church in England as France did.
With a Spanish-English Empire, would the movie Spanglish be made?
With a Spanish-English Empire, would the movie Spanglish be made?
Choice One: The then pope realizes that trouble is getting out of hand, AND that the law was on Henry VIII's side, offers to legitimize Elizabeth's birth if she returns England to the Church...
Choice Two: Bloody Mary has a child...
Choice Three: The Hapsburg Emperor, who never showed the slightest concern on any other occasion for his aunt, does not pressure the pope and Henry VIII gets his divorce. Later her most saintly Catholic majesty Elizabeth I will...
Choice Four: MY FAVORITE. Despite treachery and foul behavior on all sides, the maligned Richard III is able to push through the charge, killing the Welsh knight Henry Tudor and retains the throne(and his life) leading to...
Choice Five: Some Calvinist lands in Ireland due to a shipwreck and quickly develops a strong following. Just to spite the Irish England remains true to the Catholic Church and...
Choice Two: Bloody Mary has a child...
Choice Three: The Hapsburg Emperor, who never showed the slightest concern on any other occasion for his aunt, does not pressure the pope and Henry VIII gets his divorce. Later her most saintly Catholic majesty Elizabeth I will...
Choice Four: MY FAVORITE. Despite treachery and foul behavior on all sides, the maligned Richard III is able to push through the charge, killing the Welsh knight Henry Tudor and retains the throne(and his life) leading to...
Choice Five: Some Calvinist lands in Ireland due to a shipwreck and quickly develops a strong following. Just to spite the Irish England remains true to the Catholic Church and...