I am thinking, is it possible for England just to retain Brittany instead of Gascony, I know it requires for Arthur to succeed, what would happen to England in the long run.
I am thinking, is it possible for England just to retain Brittany instead of Gascony, I know it requires for Arthur to succeed, what would happen to England in the long run.
I am thinking, is it possible for England just to retain Brittany instead of Gascony, I know it requires for Arthur to succeed, what would happen to England in the long run.
Why not both? If John dies around, say, 1202, and Eleanor of Aquitaine dies around or before 1204, Arthur will be the only male line Plantagenet, and thus the only male heir of Eleanor, left.
She has other heirs, her initial heir to Aquitaine was Otto of Brunswick who is her grandson via her daughter Matilda...Theobald of Champagne or Louis of Blois are the other possible heirs to Aquitaine aside from Arthur, I think Philippe Auguste might push the candidacy of the Infant Theobald as the Duke of Aquitaine instead.
By tradition Arthur would of been the heir, and if he was an adult he would of been in a good position. I believe Gascony was periodically part of France, therefore it would of been harder to separate... Remember the Duchies of Aquitaine and Gascony were separate, one was always part of France the other sometimes independent, so they might of ended up in different hands. Philippe was more likely to support one of his half nieces who he could control.
Infant Theobald do you mean Theobald I of Navarre right? I find that unlikely it would unite Gascony with a foreign Kingdom that has a culture closer to them then France.
I believe Gascony was periodically part of France, therefore it would of been harder to separate... Remember the Duchies of Aquitaine and Gascony were separate, one was always part of France the other sometimes independent, so they might of ended up in different hands.
The French king was not powerful enough to casually steal fiefs away from the lawful adult male heir, but he might of been down for trading some kind of Recognition of Arthur as Lord of Brittany for some of his fiefs, he offered something similar to John.His Half Neices would be the Jerusalem Daughters of Henry of Champagne, they had a problem with Theobald I of Navarre's father, Aquitaine and Gascony would be divided between them.
I remember when I was researching a tl about a possible Occitan nation that during the middle ages Gascony didn't always owe fealty to france. I do not remember the specific time period... And sorry do not feel like looking it up again right now. I found several referencing their allegiance and one or two references too them not owing fealty at a specific time during Plantagenet empire, maybe they were wrong, but they were good enough that I believed them at the time.
The French king was not powerful enough to casually steal fiefs away from the lawful adult male heir, but he might of been down for trading some kind of Recognition of Arthur as Lord of Brittany for some of his fiefs, he offered something similar to John.