England Expects that Every Man....

Goodness!
Thank you for the sentiment. (I have seen mention of these Turtledoves and presume them to be the annual award(s).) That it is even mentioned almost makes me afraid to post more for fear I will not be able to keep up with the reputation of what I have done so far....
Nah - I have a couple more chapters to get off my mind. Should have more by the end of the week.
BTW Zheng He I have been following your TL for ages and love it - mine is but a moment in time, compared with your whole campaign.




Agreed. Beatty is going along with this right now. Indeed he does not yet know what all reports Moore has prepared - probably does not yet know of anything more than the action report. *Maybe* the merest hint of the gunnery report, from the action details, but not the detailed analysis which was tucked into the stack of reports. Remember that Moore's men were going to be a bit cagey about how they put the reports into Beatty's office. So he may not be happy at sharing the limelight, might even wonder about the signal confusion that saw Moore go right to Jellicoe, but so far has no particular reason to be frothing at the mouth and is *not* sizing up Moore to lash him to an anchor.

Moore did do what Beatty wanted - so Beatty's command did what he wanted, and the BCF is being lauded by Jellicoe and the Service in general. So Beatty will indeed ride that. He may very well catch up with Moore and his activities later, but today they drink to the victory achieved by Beatty's BCF.

And: Indeed early promotion for heroism under fire is often a mixed blessing. I will not be playing Beatty as anything less than he was: brave and active on the seas (and the sheets ;)). He was your man for a Zeebrugge or a St. Nazaire, or for Renown to chase S&G, but perhaps less so for running a Grand Fleet or a convoy system, or for a Dunkirk or a Normandy.
// VP

Glad you like my TL, for that I will have to name a merchant ship after you and if you've been reading my TL, you know what happens to those.
 
England Expects Ch 4 - 1
CHAPTER 4 Part 1 – England Expects that Every Man....

ONE

“Hugh, come in. Sit down while I pour us a drink. I have set aside this time after the dog watches for the two of us to have time to discuss a range of issues brought to the fore by the recent action without being disturbed.”

Rear Admiral Hugh Evan Thomas took the indicated chair and waited while his friend and superior Admiral Sir John Jellicoe poured the whisky. “Thank you, sir. I did read the reports on damage received, and ammunition handling, and they seem to be fairly straightforward. As is the course of action – treat the cordite carefully and store it properly. Therefore I presume it is Moore's and your own notes about signaling that you wish to discuss? To the Navy!”

The Navy! Well done! Yes, that's correct. You had a major role in bringing W.T. to the RN, and setting up the Signal School. But that seems to be only part of it. What do we do to use those and other tools in their ability to transmit orders into action?”

“Well, sir, if I may pontificate for a moment?”

“Certainly – that's why I asked you here.”

“There are a few things that are more or less obvious, although they cut across the traditional view that your regular Royal Navy officer has of himself. This is the belief that he is a fully rounded professional navy man, and that he can adapt to any situation and carry out any task in the naval realm.”

“He had better be – that's what we expect him to do!” Jellicoe interjected somewhat humorously.

“Yes, and the confidence we build into our regular line officer is that he can also take his abilities from the RN and apply them to any other situation. So at the extreme we saw Scott in the Antarctic and the results of his RN self-assurance being applied to a novel planning and command problem. Incredibly brave and all that, but his naval training was not what was required, in my view, and I think it showed.

“And, sir, that universal competence is no longer the case in all naval situations either. Consider the most obvious: engineering – we now have specialists in that particular field. We didn't in the past, we considered that it was sufficient to have a few artificers and mechanics as warrant officers and petty officers, and put a naval officer in charge. But no more. Now we have a naval officer who is also a specialist engineer and we put him in charge. He may transfer back and forth from being an engineer and a deck officer, and he may be a good seaman, but he is also an engineer. Lately we have begun to have gunnery officers who are similarly specialised. Less so than engineers, but as central fire control takes over I believe that will also change. As it is, they devote a large piece of their career to gunnery, and indeed we recognize them for it. Percy Scott, of course, and Captain Dreyer of Orion, among many others.”

“So you are going to tell me that we need to go beyond having the Signal School, and have specialists in charge of signals?”

“Signals and communications in general, but essentially yes, sir. Certainly a solid move in that direction. Look at the miscues we have had in the actions and pursuits involving the BCF. I have not looked at those in detail – signal by signal – but I am sure your staff have. I would not be surprised to find that a few signals were unclear, or were delayed in sending or receiving, and that those affected the battle. I presume you have called me because of the mild controversy over that one signal in this fracas at Dogger Bank. Moore might very well have read it literally and just finished off the cripple.”

“Yes, Moore gave me another brief note with his thoughts about it – getting more to command issues. I will share it with you later but right now I want your own thoughts, undisturbed by comments from others, including me.”

“Very good, sir. I look forward to seeing Moore's note, and of course discussing his experience with him. And, now, if I go back to my pontificating, I would suggest a clear first step we could be taking.” Evan Thomas went on with barely a pause, as if he had given this prior consideration. “We need to ensure that we have the specialist signals officers in charge of communications. It is not enough for each ship to have a few signalmen who have taken the course and can read the book. Every ship should have an officer who has similarly passed the Signal School. He can work with the signalmen, and the W.T. department, to ensure that communications with other vessels and commands are well managed. A part of that means clear and intelligible, and fully comprehensible as to meaning.”

“That's a lot of officers to put through Signal School – and quickly if we were to initiate such a policy. What about the 'short course' that some officers take?”

“Yes, sir, it is a lot to train, but we need to do it, in my view. The short course is nice because it can be done by many, and the way we are going should be something for most deck officers, but it is short and includes a lot of general knowledge, without developing much personal proficiency. Meanwhile we are adding more sophisticated W.T. capability all the time, and are operating in a moving battlefield that we don't fully understand yet.

“Sir, at 25 knots, a five minute delay in an order being turned into a signal, and that signal reaching its intended destination and being acted upon, can put a ship two miles out of position. With fast moving ships and squadrons we need to be able to use our communications facilities effectively. I understand that Beatty, Moore, and company had issues with flag signals – and clearly that old reliable method is something we have to learn to use differently.”

“Hugh, I am pleased that you have been thinking about this already. That's the kind of specific measure I was hoping you might come up with. Those and others will help liven our discussions with the senior officers in the Grand Fleet, discussions in which you will have a major role. You know that higher command has had a favourable view of your ability to see things analytically: both the big picture and the fine strokes of how we get there.”

“Sir?” queried Even Thomas, sensing there was more. “I hear the word 'but' coming along soon.”

“We'd like you to take that further. I have spoken with Fisher and this is what we want to do. You are to turn over as RA1BS forthwith, and are hereby appointed Inspector General of Signals and Communications - IGSC. You will have a wide-ranging remit, and Fisher and I will back you up as required. You will of course have to keep us advised of what you are doing, and warned in advance where possible, and so on, but you are the man we want.”

Evan Thomas was too surprised to say anything except a reflexive, “aye, aye, sir.”

“Your first task is to outline the needs, realistic goals, and a plan for reaching those goals. It may of course be staged, but we need to improve our fighting capability as rapidly as possible. So a brief plan draughted quickly, and updated as experience is gained, is more important than a comprehensive plan.”

“Yes, sir. I believe I have an idea of what you are looking for and can provide the first outline fairly quickly. I'll need a small staff and a place for us to hang our hats.”

“Good. I like enthusiasm,” Jellicoe stood and held out his hand. “Congratulations, Hugh. It's a big job but you are our man. You start work tomorrow morning. Your Flag Lieutenant goes with you if you like, or you can get whomever you want. We'll see what staff you need. One officer is already assigned, a good man with recent and relevant experience: Commander Wiliam J. Tomkins, who was Staff Commander with Moore on New Zealand.”
 
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This seems like a big change, it certainly seems like it will be positive for future actions. I'm pleased that Jellicoe realises this has to be done quickly, between better signalling and better handling of cordite Jutland will be radically different. I look forward to seeing what happens there.

Also excellent that it appears Moore is going to survive and the Admiralty is not going to shoot the messenger. Maybe this will encourage other officers to suggest changes or highlight problems without fearing for their careers?
 
England Expects Ch 4 - 2
CHAPTER 4 Part 2 – England Expects that Every Man....

TWO

A Vice Admiral and a Rear Admiral came out the door, and headed away talking. They barely noticed another Rear Admiral pacing, waiting to enter.

“Admiral Jellicoe can see you now, sir,” said the Lieutenant Commander who was keeping the schedule and managing the flow of visitors.

Rear Admiral David Richard Beatty nodded in response and strode to and through the door.

“Come in and sit down. I regret the small delay for our appointment. I know you're planning to accompany your ships to the gunnery range today and I did have you first in my day book, but they caught me on my way from breakfast and continued the conversation.”

Beatty had taken a seat in the chair facing the big desk. “I understand, sir. I hope to be brief in any event.”

“Good then. Let's make good use of our time so you can get back across to Queen Mary - now that she is available. First, let me start by saying that I applaud your initiative in moving your force here for these couple of weeks to get some time on the gun range. If you can manage to send each additional ship for perhaps a week as it is joining your force, it will help to maintain the standard I know you seek.” Jellicoe couldn't quite bring himself to say 'high' standards, but knew that he needed to offer some complimentary words to Beatty. As he smiled he remembered the fact that he himself had quietly planted the seed of the idea with his staff to plant into Beatty's.

“Thank you, sir. It does seem to be doing a lot of good. And of course some ships are modifying handling procedures within the turrets and magazines. As recent analysis shows, that will pay off in action.” Beatty, in his turn, knew that he had to show that he was going along with proper handling procedures, in light of the impact made by the reports that had been produced by HMS New Zealand.

“Sir, my principal reason for seeing you is to say that I am looking around for a possible successor to Rear Admiral Moore, for 2BCS. I presume that following his recent experience, and his...his insights, that you or Admiral Fisher will be seeking to use him elsewhere. And so I would like to get ahead of his reassignment and have someone in the job and getting his hands firmly on the reins, as it were.”

“So I understand. I, too, have spoken with Vice Admiral Hamilton and he said you were asking about who might be available.”

“Yes, sir. And I presume that you might have some ideas on candidates as well. But, I really should have some substantial say in who becomes my principal subordinate, perhaps final approval, and not just take the first fellow the Second Lord's office finds available.”

“You did not have a role in Moore's appointment, and he did well for you. But while I can understand your desire to have some influence on the choice of successor, I have to say that there has been no consideration of reassignment for Admiral Moore, so this may be rather premature.”

“Sir, I am keeping an eye out for what will be coming over the horizon, as it were. And as current urgencies subside, I expect there will be new developments that lead in this direction.”

“Very well, I understand the desire to have your own man in the job. At this time I believe you will do well to have his experience at your disposal, but if and when the time comes I will recommend that you are included in discussions over who gets 2BCS.”

“Thank you, sir. That's all I ask – a chance to have my say in the matter. Now, if I may take my leave, my boat awaits and our days for the gun range are dwindling.”

“Thank you for coming. Watching the ships on the gun range can be an interesting day – even if it just means that they all know you are there watching, and that it is important to you.”

“Thank you, sir.”

As Beatty left, Jellicoe reflected to himself that their meeting had gone better than expected. Beatty had been reasonably savvy in how he went about essentially requesting Moore's relief, and had not raised the issue of Moore playing fast and loose with submitting reports through, over, and around the the chain of command. Direct to the Third Lord's office was bad enough, but to the DNO&T and especially HMS Excellent? And what might Beatty know about potential new developments in this direction? He was not without supporters at The Admiralty.
 
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I have to say that there has been no consideration of reassignment for Admiral Moore, So this may be rather premature.

Love this! Jellicoe's polite and slightly cheeky way of saying, "sod off (for now)."

Beatty had been reasonably savvy in how he went about essentially requesting Moore's relief, and had not raised the issue of Moore playing fast and loose with submitting reports through, over, and around the the chain of command. Direct to the Third Lord's office was bad enough, but to the DNO&T and HMS Excellent? And what might Beatty know about potential new developments in this direction? He was not without supporters at The Admiralty.

As I suspected. Poor Moore, a brilliant insight that may save the BCS at Jutland but may also cost him his place.
 

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I am reading " After Jutland" by an Australian Admiral. I don't have it here now so can't recall exact names but uparently the officer in command of the Dover patrol went over his boss (Boden?) To the admiralty as the former insisted in a policy of being ready to sail in no more than 10 minutes for weeks. And obviously that was insoustanable for both ships and men. The important thing here is that instead of being "cashiered" for this he was supported. So an OTL not very different situation
 
There is an appropriate way to go behind someones higher back when there is a legitimate problem. If you know the system and how to work it you can get things done this way if you are not known as a nervous nelly/troublemaker.
 
As Beatty left, Jellicoe reflected to himself that their meeting had gone better than expected. Beatty had been reasonably savvy in how he went about essentially requesting Moore's relief, and had not raised the issue of Moore playing fast and loose with submitting reports through, over, and around the the chain of command. Direct to the Third Lord's office was bad enough, but to the DNO&T and HMS Excellent? And what might Beatty know about potential new developments in this direction? He was not without supporters at The Admiralty.
Beatty wants Moore gone, which is hardly surprising. Moore has done two things that any senior officer will hate in his junior. 1st Moore will get much if not most of the credit for the Dogger Bank battle. 2nd Moore went over Beatty's head to highlight a number of problems Beatty has allowed to develop in his command. The chances of the two men being able to work together are very slim so one will have to go. Moore can't be sacked so Beatty's only way to get rid of him is to promote and transfer him
 
Fortunately he can't really be shipped off to the Med, that's a secondary theater and would be seen as an effective demotion for Moore. And with the First Sea Lord supporting Jellico, Beatty can't really get rid of him easily. Beatty might turn to Churchill as he'd be at the Admiralty at this time and was working with Fisher, the rupture between these two not coming until Galipolli.
 
Beatty wants Moore gone, which is hardly surprising. Moore has done two things that any senior officer will hate in his junior. 1st Moore will get much if not most of the credit for the Dogger Bank battle. 2nd Moore went over Beatty's head to highlight a number of problems Beatty has allowed to develop in his command. The chances of the two men being able to work together are very slim so one will have to go. Moore can't be sacked so Beatty's only way to get rid of him is to promote and transfer him
The thing is Beatty is on somewhat thin ice here. When (not if) Evan Thomas' work gets going they will notice that Beatty's flag officer is an idiot who cannot signal and Beatty ignored multiple warnings about him. If pushed then the Admiralty may well chose Moore over Beatty, Churchill won't like it but as mentioned Moore will get the credit for Dogger Bank and is the actual heroic winner.

Ideally (for the Admiralty) it won't come to that, but I think Moore is probably in a stronger position than Beatty. Maybe easier to shunt Beatty off to a grand sounding command (C-in-C Mediterranean and Indian Ocean?) than move Moore? Beatty would hate it, but if it's that or a complete non job on shore (and with the threat of the flag officer debacle hanging over him) he might take it.
 
I guess one way of telling what way the wind's blowing would be the press. Pre-War Fisher was a friend of many in the British Press, writing letters to them for them to publish under fake names or his given one, and when it was with fake names it was obvious who it was. At this point, Beatty's the darling of the Press, his picture's sold everywhere and was a popular momento. If Fisher had words in the ears with right people. Or, Fisher being Fisher, pinned them against the wall and said they WILL talk about this 'new' chap Moore in a positive and shining light...
 
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Or the 5th as a kind of reward/acknowledgement of good service?

Will we get a peek into the JSF’s damage and recovery?
Problem is that the battlecruisers are now regularly rotating to Scapa Flow to practice gunnery so 5th Battle Squadron is far less likely to be attached to the battlecruiser force come Jutland
And yes I too would like to see what the German navy is up to.
 
Could Moore replace Evan-Thomas commanding the 1st Battle Squadron? That would get him out of Beatty's hair...
Looking into it a bit more, it appears that Evan-Thomas was 5th Battle Squadron, which would still drop Moore under Beatty (at least in OTL Jutland the 5BS was attached to the BCF).

EDIT: Looks like there were several replies talking about 5BS while I was reading up on it all. Sorry for any redundancy.
 
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