England doesn't colonise North America: who does?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Fabius Maximus, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    a unified Scandanavia (along the lines of Baristram's TL), in personal union with the Dutch then?
     
  2. Fabius Maximus Unus qui nobis cunctando restituit rem

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    More likely a unified Scandinavia taking the Dutch East Indies in a war.
     
  3. Fabius Maximus Unus qui nobis cunctando restituit rem

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    How far did they actually act as chokepoints, though? I can't think of any example of, e.g., the Straits of Gibraltar being successfully blocked off during the 17th or 18th centuries.
     
  4. Fabius Maximus Unus qui nobis cunctando restituit rem

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    Funnily enough, I was thinking of the opposite scenario: no English Reformation, so the country remains much more religiously homogenous and there are no big bodies of Puritans or other dissidents wanting to settle somewhere else.
     
  5. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member Kicked

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    When's the PoD? - Someone else but the usual suspects would be interesting. Scotland was mentioned, but also Sweden, Poland, German and Italian powers. Or even a surviving Brittany.
     
  6. FillyofDelphi Well-Known Member

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    When would such an action have been relevant and worth the effort? Maybe if the Moraccan-British-Ottoman co-operation effort to subdue Spain had really fired off, but other than that the Med. and Atlantic are two entirely different commercial-political power centers. However, if military action engulfs the area\risks merchant traffic (Say, during the many Ottoman-Venetian wars and the Barbary States acting for their suzerain) you'd see a notable dip in the contact which Venice, unlike nation's with Atlantic coastlines, can't fix by rerouting their commerce and military transport to and open ocean route. For an example, let's look at the first of the choke points; the Strait of Otranto. The Turks just needed to station a strong naval force, and Venice couldn't support\effectively reenforce colonies as close as Crete and Cyprus; try projecting the force to protect traffic on the complete opposite side of the Med.
     
  7. Fabius Maximus Unus qui nobis cunctando restituit rem

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    Well, the British regularly sent fleets into the Mediterranean; I'd imagine that the French and/or Spanish would have gladly kept them out, if it were as easy as stationing a big fleet off Gibraltar.