England becomes... Muslim?!

I recently read "the handbook of useless knowledge" where I found a crazy, though not entirely impossible story. The story was about the life of an English chaplain named Robert. He was sent somewhen during the reign of John Lackland with some other people to the "emperor of Spain and Africa" (i.e. the Almohad caliph) to suggest an alliance "against England's enemies" (that probably included the pope, but I'm just guessing). For the case that the caliph would support them, John Lackland promised him to convert to Islam, together with all the people in England. The caliph, however, denied. Later, the people from this delegation would return to England and repent what they had done - except for Robert himself. Even later, there was a man from Europe who worked as an advisor for Genghis Khan and suggested to him that he should attack Europe. Even later, when the Mongols were in Hungary, some European was arrested for he had spied for the Mongols, leading to their fast victory against Hungary, and burned in Budapest. The book suggested that all these men might be identical persons.

I don't want to speculate about the latter parts of this story - it sounds a bit too fantastic - but I'd like to think about the first part of it, a possible alliance between John Lackland and the caliph (let's assume that's true). What would've happened if the caliph hadn't have denied that proposal?
 
Max Sinister said:
I recently read "the handbook of useless knowledge" where I found a crazy, though not entirely impossible story. The story was about the life of an English chaplain named Robert. He was sent somewhen during the reign of John Lackland with some other people to the "emperor of Spain and Africa" (i.e. the Almohad caliph) to suggest an alliance "against England's enemies" (that probably included the pope, but I'm just guessing). For the case that the caliph would support them, John Lackland promised him to convert to Islam, together with all the people in England. The caliph, however, denied. Later, the people from this delegation would return to England and repent what they had done - except for Robert himself. Even later, there was a man from Europe who worked as an advisor for Genghis Khan and suggested to him that he should attack Europe. Even later, when the Mongols were in Hungary, some European was arrested for he had spied for the Mongols, leading to their fast victory against Hungary, and burned in Budapest. The book suggested that all these men might be identical persons.

I don't want to speculate about the latter parts of this story - it sounds a bit too fantastic - but I'd like to think about the first part of it, a possible alliance between John Lackland and the caliph (let's assume that's true). What would've happened if the caliph hadn't have denied that proposal?

John Lackland becomes even less popular then in OTL. That takes some doing but that would do it.
 
Interesting possibilities, though the "English" view (past and present) any religion that requires them to give up booze and bacon butties with a jaundiced eye. So I suspect this may make Roberts task impossible and John Lackland even more unpopular (if that were at all possible)
 
If John Lackland converts to Islam and tries to force it on the populace, he's lunch. No Magna Carta compromise for him, which means that limits on the power of the English Crown might not occur (at least as early) in TTL.

Now, exactly who would England and the Almohad Caliphate be fighting against? France? The Almohads have the northern Christian states in Spain to fight through.
 
John gets overthrown by the barons, who unfortunately invite in the son of Philip Augustus.

All Hail Louis, King of France and England!
 
Faeelin said:
John gets overthrown by the barons, who unfortunately invite in the son of Philip Augustus.

All Hail Louis, King of France and England!
I wonder, would the Caliph go to war with France-England to bring John (assuming he survives) back to England? Who would have been Caliph at this time?
 
In fact, I wondered whether the Brits would go even farther than IOTL and declare England a republic. Of course, that depends on that Louis guy. I'm not familiar with him...
 

Thande

Donor
I don't think a republic is on the cards: most people hadn't even heard of the concept, and most of the Greek and Roman manuscripts that referred to it hadn't been recovered via the Arabic yet. Maybe a government more on the lines of Anglo-Saxon England, with the barons forming a Witan that must approve new kings...
 
Imajin said:
I wonder, would the Caliph go to war with France-England to bring John (assuming he survives) back to England? Who would have been Caliph at this time?

How would the Caliph we're talking about do that? This is an Almovarid, right? He just got his ass kicked at las navas de tolosa.
 
@Thande: True - but I don't know / don't think that the Swiss ever heard of that concept either, and they still did it. It's not such a difficult idea to get: "Let's elect the best man, he shall be our leader!"
@Faeelin: Oops. Bad timing.
 
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