Engineering A Planet

Thande

Donor
Incidentally, for contrast, here's a really simple attempt (from back in 2002) at representing the planet in space...

There are so many large, red stars because it's in the galactic core.

New Kalsaj.jpg
 
Incidentally, for contrast, here's a really simple attempt (from back in 2002) at representing the planet in space...

There are so many large, red stars because it's in the galactic core.
How does it survive long enough to develope life?

(If I'm interpreting those green patches correctly.)
 
The green patches are chlorophyll from plants :confused:
Well, if it's in the core, how has it been able to stay in one piece for long enough to develope life? I'm under the impression things don't last too long there.
 

Thande

Donor
Well, if it's in the core, how has it been able to stay in one piece for long enough to develope life? I'm under the impression things don't last too long there.
In my galactic conception there are various clean patches around the galactic core on the 'inner rim' of the big doughnut surrounding the black hole in the middle, where it's a blind spot for the radiation. These are known collectively as Doldrums Space. Kalsaj is in one of the larger sections in the southern part of the Galactic Core, known as Geaudaeh'yurnik (to its imperial occupiers).

On the other hand, right on the edge of these patches are some very strange worlds, some of which including life forms which have adapted to survive and even feed on the radiation from the black hole...

There are very few inhabitable worlds in the core and a lot of dead resource planets. This means that warfare in the Core tends to be of the 'nuke their outposts on this dead planet from orbit' type, with little emphasis on ground combat. By contrast to the Rim (i.e. where we are) where there are so many inhabitable planets that even small outposts are usually based on Earthlike planets, and there is more emphasis on planetary conquest and ground combat to capture these planets intact.
 
In my galactic conception there are various clean patches around the galactic core on the 'inner rim' of the big doughnut surrounding the black hole in the middle, where it's a blind spot for the radiation. These are known collectively as Doldrums Space. Kalsaj is in one of the larger sections in the southern part of the Galactic Core, known as Geaudaeh'yurnik (to its imperial occupiers).

On the other hand, right on the edge of these patches are some very strange worlds, some of which including life forms which have adapted to survive and even feed on the radiation from the black hole...

There are very few inhabitable worlds in the core and a lot of dead resource planets. This means that warfare in the Core tends to be of the 'nuke their outposts on this dead planet from orbit' type, with little emphasis on ground combat. By contrast to the Rim (i.e. where we are) where there are so many inhabitable planets that even small outposts are usually based on Earthlike planets, and there is more emphasis on planetary conquest and ground combat to capture these planets intact.
That's quite intriguing. Is it from Moonstruck?
 

Thande

Donor
That's quite intriguing. Is it from Moonstruck?

It's the same universe, yes. Do you want a galactic map? I recently made a new one, to take new discoveries about the structure of the Milky Way into account...
 
It's the same universe, yes. Do you want a galactic map? I recently made a new one, to take new discoveries about the structure of the Milky Way into account...
Splendid! I must see this map.:cool:
BTW, what are these new discoveries?
 

Thande

Donor
Splendid! I must see this map.:cool:
BTW, what are these new discoveries?

Just something about the structure of the Local Spur, I think. Well, the new maps are different from the ones I originally used, anyway ;)

This was made a bit wrongly, because the Sun should be further to the right of the Federate Commonwealth, so everything should be shifted a bit clockwise to what it is, but you get the idea.

Sorry about jpeg crapness but the PNG was too big.

New Galactic Map 2.jpg
 
Just something about the structure of the Local Spur, I think. Well, the new maps are different from the ones I originally used, anyway ;)

This was made a bit wrongly, because the Sun should be further to the right of the Federate Commonwealth, so everything should be shifted a bit clockwise to what it is, but you get the idea.

Sorry about jpeg crapness but the PNG was too big.
That is the most amazing space map I have ever seen.:cool:

I don't see what different about the Orion Spur, though; perhaps what I have seen is from the new discoveries. What does your old map look like?


How much of the galaxy has been explored by Humanity?

What the FTL like?

What's the year?
 

Thande

Donor
That is the most amazing space map I have ever seen.:cool:

I don't see what different about the Orion Spur, though; perhaps what I have seen is from the new discoveries. What does your old map look like?
Maybe it was just that my old ones weren't detailed enough.
How much of the galaxy has been explored by Humanity?
Have you seen my map of known space in Moonstruck?
What the FTL like?
Ditto, see Moonstruck
What's the year?
2350 AD.
 
Hello Azardin,

In my case, I love Matlab... it allows me to jump straight in and start coding the key problem rather than the boring bits, and if I've got that solved, I can always add a user interface. Seeing the user is always me, not much of an interface is needed. :)

I would really appreciate it if you could try your hand with the climatology of Furaha. Are the maps on the website (see above for the URL) good enough or do you need another map?

I will agree with you, Matlab is a terrific program. I just find it to be an annoying bit of our classes. However, whenever I've got a matlab assignment and Matlab decides to work properly, its a beautiful thing.

As to taking a look at your climate, I took a stab at it using one of your maps already posted. Its small, so super-detail would have been difficult, but since it was largely just a land/water map (colorwise), I think I worked out something useful for you.

Here is my take on the pressure zones during January.

atlaskaartjan.jpg


And here is July.

atlaskaartjuly.jpg


From looking at these maps I believe the following might be true.

Pretty much all of the coastal areas (especially on the two large continents) are going to be rather wet almost year round. The southern continents will be a little dryer in the later months of the year, but probably more mediterranean than arid, though their interiors will be pretty dry for half the year.

I would definitely put deserts in the centers of the two largest continents, their shape depending on the terrain, valleys would channel the water inland, while highlands/mountains/etc. would act as a barrier. Its kinda sad too, since you get these huge low pressure systems over the islands, and you'd think they'd suck the warm wet air right into the centers, but with continents that size, alas, no rain for Farmer Joe deep in the heartlands.

Though perhaps you could have aquifers or rivers to create little oases of greenery, all up to you're designs of course.

The effects of the different axis are interesting as well. Instead of having three relatively equal bands of pressures, the subtropical convergence zone is the biggest (at least, that is what I'm assuming based on the statement on your page, about the decreased tropics and polar regions). This would normally create huge deserts across the globe, but you prevent this because of your large abundance of water. So for now, your world is a nice place for life. I think I'd like to visit, and enjoy a brew on the beach and watch the kickass wildlife. :D:cool:
 
All these awesome maps has inspired me to go off and make some kind of a fictional planet.
 
So for now, your world is a nice place for life. I think I'd like to visit, and enjoy a brew on the beach and watch the kickass wildlife. :D:cool:

Thanks very much, Azardin. I like your climate ideas very much, and will incorporate them in the book (if that ever happens, of course). Don't worry about the deserts: it's an entire planet, so there's room enough for life, and room enough for inhospitable stretches as well. Moreover, there should be deserts, and in fact there are some nasty lifeforms in the desert.

As for the beer and watching the wildlife, I'll join you. Perhaps I should pass the word to the famous carnivorist Sigismunda Felsacker, who wrote about a similar experience:

[FONT=&quot]Felsacker, in Paleo Days (quoted with permission) wrote the following at the time of her departure. “I knew I had to go, but I wasn’t happy to leave my research, and had been keeping everyone busy with superfluous instructions. Eventually, of course, I got packed, said my farewells, and flew off. On my way back to Nexus I stopped over in Auralgia. I wanted to discuss research with the staff at the local branch there. When I got to the hotel where we had arranged to meet, I was informed that my appointment had been delayed, and would I mind sitting on the porch in the meantime? Well, I was still in this frantic mood, so I did mind, but I had nothing else to do. So I sat down with a drink and looked at the sunset. Soon, of course, my mood mellowed, and I started to take in the surroundings: there were glunking hexapods on the horizon, spidrids chikked in the bushes, and the smell of the perfume trees grew stronger as evening approached. I looked at a flock of kites, circling high up in the sky. I admit that I started to ponder the peculiarities of biramous wing design, but pretty soon I just sat there, looking at the sunlight glinting off their rudders, and enjoying the show they put on immensely. And while I was sitting there, luxuriating in the beauty of it all, I was suddenly absolutely certain that for the rest of my life I would long to be back on that porch, or at least on Furaha, for the rest of my life. I was right, too; I’ve been homesick ever since.”

I guess you now want to know what a kite looks like. Alright, here it is (not one of my best ones). It's not on the website, and I'll probably delete it from here in a while.

kite.jpg




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Getting back to Thande's maps, I've taken the liberty of playing around with them for a bit. I've found that if you depict globes there are two choices. You can go for the type of globe sitting on a desk, with colours representing height, and meridians, parallels, lettering, etc.

The second choice is to try and show it as if it might look from space. That seems to be much more difficult, and I haven't really tried. But useful tips can be found at the Celestia site. http://www.shatters.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=6b328ab4619bdb2b273d8c726b6b0db1

here are some examples of both. I've taken the published map, put it up once as it was, and once with some additional clouds. Again, Celestia can help. What I did is basically taking a cloud map and importing it as a transparent selection. In the front row I took the published map and turned it in a two-tone image (that can be done a lot better, but you may get the idea). I then 'borrowed' a texture to serve as a land texture, and superimposed the water layer. Then add the same cloud layer again, and it's beginning to look like a planet as seen from space (a bit, anyway:eek:).

thandes.jpg
 
Thanks very much, Azardin. I like your climate ideas very much, and will incorporate them in the book (if that ever happens, of course). Don't worry about the deserts: it's an entire planet, so there's room enough for life, and room enough for inhospitable stretches as well. Moreover, there should be deserts, and in fact there are some nasty lifeforms in the desert.

Well your very welcome, and I'd be happy to offer any other help you might think I could offer.



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I guess you now want to know what a kite looks like. Alright, here it is (not one of my best ones). It's not on the website, and I'll probably delete it from here in a while.

I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. You're as bad as my fiance, who is an art major. Why is it all you talented artists are always so self depricating? The only time I can draw anything similar to that (and mind you, I'm a sketcher, so its always rough pictures with pencil and pen, unless I'm doing a proper schematic) is when I'm inebriated.

Come to think about it, the only time I remember doing something that could possibly be compared (and really only in the 'camera' angle used) was when I was high in Amsterdam with some friends last December. :D

Ah well, humility is an excellent quality. And I look forward greatly to viewing any and all work by you. (We need a smiley for toasting!)
 
Aha!

Azarin, could you tell me what the climate of this world would be like?

The brown represents mountain ranges. The poles look too large because it's a Mercator Projection.

fictional world.png
 
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