Empire of the Dawn: Chinese Colony in America, 17th Century

I would argue that a ruling class of pure-blood Chinese would arise and the culture would be very traditional. This is based off of what is known about colonial societies with large mestizo populations. And since the population of the colony is so large, it wouldn't make much sense for native culture and religion to equally influence the colony. At best it would be small things like place names and minor festivals.

The colony's mandate is the eventual reconquest of the mainland. It wouldn't do to "sully" the "superior culture" with barbarian influences. The colony and its colonist would at least make an attempt to remain obviously Chinese rather than a mix of native influences upon Chinese culture.
 
I request a Native or Meso-American influenced Pak Mei analogue!!!

Imagine the visual with the long whife hair and beard.

Its a Chinese colonization of California. Kungfu Zorro?
 
I would argue that a ruling class of pure-blood Chinese would arise and the culture would be very traditional. This is based off of what is known about colonial societies with large mestizo populations. And since the population of the colony is so large, it wouldn't make much sense for native culture and religion to equally influence the colony. At best it would be small things like place names and minor festivals.

The colony's mandate is the eventual reconquest of the mainland. It wouldn't do to "sully" the "superior culture" with barbarian influences. The colony and its colonist would at least make an attempt to remain obviously Chinese rather than a mix of native influences upon Chinese culture.

"What is known" only applies to European-based societies whose home countries were secure and in constant communication, not permanently lost. Here there are only 5,000 colonists, compared to 300,000 indigenous Californians (and more further north). You can't 'reconquer' the homeland with such a population, at least for the next few hundred years. In addition, Chinese identity at this point wasn't based on blood as much as cultural practice, and cultural practice is open to modification. Sure, there will be a few diehard reactionaries and conservatives, but they'll be drowned out by everyone else.
 
"What is known" only applies to European-based societies whose home countries were secure and in constant communication, not permanently lost. Here there are only 5,000 colonists, compared to 300,000 indigenous Californians (and more further north). You can't 'reconquer' the homeland with such a population, at least for the next few hundred years. In addition, Chinese identity at this point wasn't based on blood as much as cultural practice, and cultural practice is open to modification. Sure, there will be a few diehard reactionaries and conservatives, but they'll be drowned out by everyone else.


WAY more than 300,000 now, as that number was from POST-smallpox California.
 
"What is known" only applies to European-based societies whose home countries were secure and in constant communication, not permanently lost. Here there are only 5,000 colonists, compared to 300,000 indigenous Californians (and more further north). You can't 'reconquer' the homeland with such a population, at least for the next few hundred years. In addition, Chinese identity at this point wasn't based on blood as much as cultural practice, and cultural practice is open to modification. Sure, there will be a few diehard reactionaries and conservatives, but they'll be drowned out by everyone else.

What is known also includes the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia. Some of my relatives are Chinese living in Southeast Asia. Point is, the Chinese diaspora has always been very influential in those nations they have set up in. This is not a recent phenomenon: Chinese communities in this region were established as early as the Tang. Another thing to note is the lack of contact between the Chinese imperial government and these communities during imperial times due to cultural stigma. This stigma was based not on nativisation of the Chinese, which was minimal, but rather on the notion that Chinese would leave China at all. As I once mentioned in another thread, leaving the empire was like leaving the world. These communities flourished without any contact from their home country aside from the occasional merchant.

The Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia is very obviously Chinese. Perhaps even more Chinese than mainlanders due to the cultural revolution. Granted, there is mixing with the locals, but very little is culturally imported from the host nation. This is historically due to the segregation that occurred in the region, where the Chinese community would form essentially a new district populated by only Chinese. Sounds familiar? The Chinese diaspora made an effort to remain not just visibly Chinese but obviously Chinese. These communities, like colonial nations, are living recordings of Chineseness at various stages of its history. Certain dialects may be preserved, a particular festival custom, or perhaps the pronunciation of a word. Despite being exposed to local influence, however limited, the Chinese diaspora in the region maintained clearly Chinese.

About their eventual goal of reconquest, saying that it is no longer their goal is just our point of view reading this story and knowing what is to come from the authors notes. Dramatic irony. These colonists have only just arrived, they realistically shouldn't have scrapped that dream. It would make them really question why they crossed the Pacific. More likely, they have subordinated it under the immediate goal of survival.

Cultural identity was still very much based on blood at this point of history. It was the Manchus who marketed the idea that Chineseness is also cultural. Up till that point, Chinese culture was used to civilise, not to assimilate. The Manchus supported this new idea to more easily integrate themselves into a resentful Han majority empire and also to defend the purpose of their conquests outside of China proper. Korea, Japan, and Vietnam were importers of Chinese civilisation and were never expected to identify as fully Chinese. This importation showed to the pre-Qing empire that these tributary states acknowledged the civilisational superiority of the empire.
 
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子罕言利與命與仁。

The subjects of which the Master seldom spoke were: profitableness, and also the appointments of Heaven, and perfect virtue.

The Qing invasion force had scarcely left Taiwan, abandoning the island to its fate and returning to the Chinese mainland, before the vultures started to circle around what had suddenly become terra nullus. The only European presence on Taiwan in 1683 belonged to the English, who had maintained a struggling factory since 1670 at Anping (1). Though they had mostly found themselves out-competed during their time on Taiwan, after the departure of the Qing the English suddenly found themselves in the catbird's seat. They quickly moved to take advantage, after confirming the veracity of what had originally seemed to good to be true – the Qing really had just packed up and gone home. Their first move was to occupy Fort Zeelandia, the Dutch-built fortifications that protected the city. Having been required to supply trained gunners for Zheng Jing's service as a condition of their trade agreement, the English had enough knowledgeable personnel to properly garrison the fortress, which had not been denuded of its guns; the few local aborigines that still held to Christianity after twenty years of Sinicization were put on the payroll as well to round out the garrison of the English territory of “New Zealand.” The local Han Chinese population, scattered and disorganized after migrations to the New World and back to the Chinese mainland, could not coalesce around an alternative to the English. Thomas Woolhouse, the senior factor, declared himself the governor of the territory, which did not extend past the town limits. Nor was it likely to in the foreseeable future. The British were weaker in East Asia than either of the other two major European powers that contested the region. Had they not been first on the ground, it is likely they would have been shut out of Taiwan altogether. As it was, their focus was more on holding Anping than it was on extending the territory they controlled. This left the door open for further European commercial and colonial penetration of Taiwan.

Until being rudely evicted from Taiwan by Zheng Chenggong in 1662, the Dutch had exercised sovereignty over portions of the island. Enough information continued to flow from both Taiwan and mainland China to Batavia, headquarters of the Dutch East India Company (VOC), to give the Dutch some indication that not only had the Zhengs gone, but the Qing had also abandoned Taiwan and thus the island was once again very much open for business. In the summer of 1684, a VOC ship bound for Nagasaki was directed to make a survey of the west coast of Taiwan and garrison such areas as were defensible. The crew was somewhat nonplussed to discover that Fort Zeelandia and Anping were already occupied by the English. They continued north to Keelung and the old Spanish fortifications there, which had been refurbished by previous Dutch expeditions and named Fort Noort-Hollant. A detachment from the ship landed, occupied the fortifications, and raised the flag; they would receive further reinforcements from Batavia in due course (2). Even after the fall of Anping to Zheng Chenggong and his army, the Dutch had previously maintained a small garrison in Keelung until 1669, when they had abandoned it due to unprofitability and attacks from hostile natives. The VOC hoped that the departure of the Zhengs and their trading monopoly would make the return to Keelung a profitable venture. They would succeed beyond their wildest dreams, though their relations with the local aborigines would be difficult at best and hostile at worst in the short-term. Zheng propaganda had been effective in portraying the Dutch as foreign enemies. Even though the Zhengs were now gone, the Dutch would find few friends in the Keelung area.

The Spanish were the next European power to establish a presence on Taiwan in the wake of the Qing withdrawal. Juan de Vargas y Hurtado, governor-general of the Philippines, had received enough rumors over the past year about the status of Taiwan to warrant sending a ship in early 1685 to see what the situation was. The detachment arrived in time to lay claim to the one remaining extant set of European fortifications that had not already been occupied. This was the old Fort Santo Domingo at Tamsui, which had been originally built by the Spanish more than fifty years ago, before they were evicted by the Dutch and the Dutch were themselves evicted by the Zheng regime (3). The Spanish hurriedly began refurbishing the dilapidated fort, surveying the area, and settling in. Word was sent back to Manila that Taiwan was indeed open, but that there was quite a bit of competition. The return of the Spanish to Tamsui in the spring of 1685 marked the end of the first stage of the Scramble for Taiwan. The English, the Dutch, and the Spanish each had an outpost on the island, and each European power had taken advantage of one of the previously existing sets of fortifications. The second stage would see these three powers attempt to expand their control to other areas of Taiwan. It would also see the arrival of the Portuguese, to add yet another player to the drama. But that story is for another time . . .

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Don't worry if all of the names and places mean nothing to you. I'll post a very, very crude map tomorrow which will hopefully make the visualization of what's going on here at least a bit easier.

Now let's zoom out a bit, because there definitely is a lot going on here. This is the most significant divergence from IRL so far. Our Chinese colonists in the Americas have just been overshadowed in their own timeline! Bummer. Sure, the colonists are more important in the long term, but right now what's happening in Taiwan is much more important geopolitically. The China trade is about to get very weird compared to IRL, and the Taiwan Strait is about to become a very interesting place. Smuggling will skyrocket and there will be all sorts of traffic in Chinese goods - and Western ideas - coming and going across the strait. Piracy will increase. The amount of Chinese products making their way into European hands will increase dramatically, and thus the price for them will drop. In China, the profits from the trade will be much more dispersed than they were historically; small dealers will do much better for themselves. Other knock-on effects – the Dutch trade with Nagasaki will be more profitable due to Dutch access to Taiwanese sugar and deer hides, both valuable commodities in Japan. Will the Spanish de-emphasize the Philippines and reorient resources towards their new outposts in Taiwan? There are now a lot of actors competing for space on a pretty small island. Will the European colonizers fight amongst themselves, or will they be able to peacefully split up the pie? And, of course, the big question: eventually the Qing will realize that abandoning Taiwan was, in fact, a big mistake. By the time they realize it, will it already be too late? There's a lot to think about here . . .

NOTES
1- Reminder that Anping is the old name for the modern city of Tainan.

2- Note that the European presence in Taiwan is totally confined to ports and coastal regions. It doesn't extend into the interior of the island at all.

3- Both the Spanish and the Dutch are making a return to Taiwan, remember.

NEXT – back across the Pacific again to California, where we'll look in on the continued progress and development of the colony. Barring an unexpected burst of productivity, the TL will go quiet until after the New Year. As always, thanks for reading.
 
This is amazing, I love it! I love it so much!

When I was watching a vanilla simulation of EU 4, very, very rarely, this would actually happen. It would always be either Ming China or the Shogunate, and it would always target California or BC, but for every time it happened their are twelve times where history just progressed as normal. It's so strange, sometimes. Although never in any of the games did a colonialist among fall to the Qing, and of course EU4 has limited narrative depth (especially in observer mode) so this is a scenario that I would've love to have seen for a very long time. Best of luck! I already love this and will watch it closely!
 
Question: Are there still conversos in the Spanish colonies and if so might they flee for the Ming state? And what might come of things if they do?
 
I am surprised. This TL does not just cover America, also the Far East might develop differently. Keep up the good work and keep both regions!
 
[/URL]Is say the language becomes Chinese-Miwok (most of native California in the Bay and Valley were Miwok in some way) and the writing is obviously Chinese.

The writing will indeed be completely Chinese. The spoken language is more interesting - probably Chinese will be used exclusively at court and among the elite, and a kind of mix will be used by everyone else.

Religion might be a mesh of ancestor worship and Ohlone shamanism.

Yeah, I was thinking along those lines as well. Ancestor worship seems fairly easy to work into the local belief system.

Wouldn't any Koreans be assimilated into the Chinese rulers of California, much like there were how Germans were present in Colonial America and they mostly ended up being English speakers by the time of independence or right after?

There aren't any Koreans among the colonists, and there won't be in the future. I'm not sure where this idea keeps popping up from?

I would argue that a ruling class of pure-blood Chinese would arise and the culture would be very traditional. This is based off of what is known about colonial societies with large mestizo populations. And since the population of the colony is so large, it wouldn't make much sense for native culture and religion to equally influence the colony. At best it would be small things like place names and minor festivals.

The colony's mandate is the eventual reconquest of the mainland. It wouldn't do to "sully" the "superior culture" with barbarian influences. The colony and its colonist would at least make an attempt to remain obviously Chinese rather than a mix of native influences upon Chinese culture.

Eh, I don't really think so. The Chinese colonists are such a small minority, and they'll be mixing with the natives almost immediately through marriage given that the settlers are disproportionately male. Maintaining a "pure-blood" Chinese population of any significant size is going to be virtually impossible. Remember that no further Chinese settlers will come to the New World for a while. Given the circumstances, I think lots of cultural transmission in both ways makes more sense over the long haul. Certainly the Chinese will try to remain uncorrupted by bizarre barbarian practices, but most of their kids will be half-barbarian. Give it a couple of generations and we'll see what happens! We actually won't, since I'll almost certainly have gotten bored of this idea and moved on to something else before then, but whatever.

YAY! Thanks so much! *digital hugs abound*

In my defense for the late response, I finally returned from another tournament and have a bunch of exams in this final week of school.

No worries. I forgot to mention you have two options - he can emigrate to California and do something there, or stay in China and become a smuggler/pirate. Choose your own adventure!

Question: Are there still conversos in the Spanish colonies and if so might they flee for the Ming state? And what might come of things if they do?

I'm not sure if there are any conversos in the Spanish colonies in North America. Even if there were, I doubt they'd make it to the Chinese colony in California. Too far away.

Hey, this is a really cool idea! Subbed! :D

Very good! :) Hoping for more soonest!

This is amazing, I love it! I love it so much!

Thanks! I'm glad people are enjoying it. As I mentioned in the update, I'll post a crude map of the early stages of the Scramble for Taiwan soon.
 
I just found this TL and have subscribed.

I'm very sorry we will not have my beloved San Francisco, but at least in this TL we will not have idiots calling the City "Frisco" or "SanFran".:D

They have settled in an area with some of the most productive agricultural hinterlands in the world. To the south are the *Santa Clara and *Salinas valleys to the east is the *Central valley and to the north the *Napa and *Sonoma valleys. Provided that they can obtain the right seeds and seedlings they can grow anything from fields crops to wheat and rice to fruit trees to cotton. Further south along the coast starting from *Morro Bay citrus and other warm weather crops can be grown.

Have they brought any domestic animals? Ducks, chickens, geese, cows, horses, pigs, sheep, etc.


The ocean, bays, the delta and rivers are full of fish, mammals and shellfish. Especially the Dungeness Crabs (The best seafood ever, better than the best lobster), abalone (almost as good as the Dungies, some say better), clams and sea urchin.

There are millions of elk, deer and migratory birds in the the valleys to be harvested.

Food should be no problem.

There's gold in them hills to the east and quicksilver to the south to help extract the gold from the ore. There is some other metals available, but almost no iron, some copper and some coal. They have to go further east of the Sierras to find richer metal deposits. Timber to build dwellings and ships is abundantly available.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops.

MrBill
 
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I'm not sure if there are any conversos in the Spanish colonies in North America. Even if there were, I doubt they'd make it to the Chinese colony in California. Too far away.

Theoretically, conversos were emphatically forbidden to settle in America (which does not mean that some did not do that, but they could not do it openly). Later, the ban was lifted; in my understanding, this was because conversos were not supposed to be there anymore in metropolitan Spain (after 1615).
So, nobody whose ancestry could be openly traced to converso families was supposed to be found anywhere in Spanish America at the relevant time. Again, this does not mean that such people were not there, but it does mean that they'd be very much underground regarding anything relating a possible converso "identity", or even memory.
 
Here's a very crude map (not mine!) of the situation in Taiwan in 1685. Note the three existing European outposts and the areas that will be contested during the second phase of the Scramble for Taiwan. Hopefully this makes things a little easier to visualize for people who aren't so familiar with the geography.

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The writing will indeed be completely Chinese. The spoken language is more interesting - probably Chinese will be used exclusively at court and among the elite, and a kind of mix will be used by everyone else.

They'd no doubt develop a divergent dialect from Chinese (I'm not sure which Chinese language the majority of the people settling California TTL would've spoke, maybe Hokkien), but I doubt they'd develop a long-lasting creole language. It would probably be a separate dialect of Min Chinese most comparable to Hokkien, maybe in the same way Quebec French differs from Paris French and all the Latin American Spanish differs from Castillian Spanish.

More interesting linguistically is if they will ever make an attempt to write an indigenous Californian language with Chinese characters. or maybe a Californian Sequoyah will emerge and turn Chinese characters into a separate script (which might be comparable to hiragana/katakana). And then maybe after that, learned individuals of their tribe will write their language in a mixture of that script and Chinese characters, just like the Japanese.
 
Great TL!

Now that we're talking about the new Chinese-American language...

Why not a morphed version of Mindong? I know that OTL Taiwan is more Minnan, but I've never seen Mindong feature in ANY TL ever, and appreciation for my dad's dialect is rare and in between.

With that said, Mindong was pretty influential. It was the dialect of Fuzhou.
 
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