Embrace the SUCK: Skallagrim's Unexpurgated Colour Key
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Not a bad idea, I might either use the color for Montenegro or something, or make it a secondary Croatia or secondary Montenegro color
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So regarding my previous comment, here's a translation of the quoted area +some annotations and additions. If @Skallagrim you do choose to use this I'd say employ it just as reference rather than a direct basis for coloring.
Gold is yellow, wood is bluish-green, water is blue, fire is red, mud is yellow with exceptions
The Cycle of the Five Elements is as such:
EDIT 2: Given the immense length of China's list of colours, is it possible to split it up into "Legitimate Dynasties", ones that held sway over China's heartland and were considered well established; and "Petty Dynasties"?
Proposed by the School of Naturalists (the School of Yin-yang) in the warring states period, the Cycle of the Five Elements (approximate translation) was a belief used to explain the cycle of Chinese dynasties. First used by Qin Shi Huang, it was adopted by successive dynasties in matters of naming and colour schemes of individual dynasties. In dynasties that ignored the Cycle, modern scholars and non-official sources in the gentry would provide their own explanations and elements for each dynasties.
Gold is yellow, wood is bluish-green, water is blue, fire is red, mud is yellow with exceptions
The Cycle of the Five Elements is as such:
- Original Naturalist Interpretation: Yellow Emperor (Mud)→Xia (Wood)→Shang (Gold)→Zhou (Fire)→Qin (Water--Exc. Black)→Han: Gaozu (Water); Wudi (Mud)
- Post-Xin Dynasty Interpretation: Yellow Emperor (Mud)→Xia (Gold)→Shang (Water)→Zhou (Wood)→Han (Fire)→Cao Wei (Water)
- Song Interpetation: Han (Fire)→Cao Wei (Mud)→Han-led Jin (Gold)→Northern Wei (Water)→Northern Zhou (Wood)→Sui (Fire)→Tang (Mud--Exc. Brown)→Later Liang, Later Jin (Gold)→Later Han (Water)→Later Zhou (Wood)→Song (Fire)→Jurchen Jin (Mud)
- Jurchen Jin Interpetation: ...→Song (Fire)→Liu Yu's Qi Empire (Mud)→Jurchen-led Jin (Gold)
- Post-Yuan Cycle: Yuan (Gold)→Ming (Fire)→Qing (Water--Exc. Cyan)
- Theme Colours: Yuan (Ceramic White and silvery-gold); Ming (Darkish Red and Gold); Qing (Deep Cyan and Gold)
EDIT 2: Given the immense length of China's list of colours, is it possible to split it up into "Legitimate Dynasties", ones that held sway over China's heartland and were considered well established; and "Petty Dynasties"?
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Just noticed a rather bad clash; the colour for Ainu/Hokkaido based country is practically identical to that of Republican/modern Russia.
We also need a colour for the ideology of a Polystate (a state where the government is not determined by the locality, but by your allegiance of choice) - it has been used numerous times in mapgames etc.
@CannedTech brought this valuable idea to me and by now I have used it several times on my own initiative.
@CannedTech brought this valuable idea to me and by now I have used it several times on my own initiative.
It has been too long, since i last posted, and in that time, M+T has gifted us with a wonderful look at how sadly lacking pre modern african representation can be on colour schemes 
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Don't worry Skalligram, it seems to be a lacking by all, so i'll post up a list of the countries that M+T puts in @ 1350s, happy to pass on other details from 1356-1856 from the mod if so wanted also. (yes i know there may be overlap, but best cover all bases)
N.W: Fez, Kel Ahaggar, Mzab, Tlemcen, Touggourt.
N.E: Tunis, Djerid, Kel Ajjer, Fezzan, Mamluks
Ethiopia region: Makuria, Alwa, Shilluk, Medri Bahri, Semien, Funj, Kaffa, Damot, Ethiopia, Dobe'a, Aussa, Shewa, Ifat, Hadiya, Balé, Adal, Dawaro, Warsangali, Marehan, Ajuran, Mogadishu
Coastal East Africa/ Zimbabwe region: Pate, Malindi, Mombasa, Zanzibar, Kilwa, Quelimane, Sofala, Sedanda, Manyika, Mutapa, Butua, Lundu, Tambora, Maravi, Barué, Makua, Quiteve
Malagasy Kingdoms: Mahafaly, Tamatave, Bara, Menabe, Betsileo, Merina, Sihanaka, Boina, Antankarana
Central Africa/Kongo region: Busoga, Buganda, Bunyoro, Tooro, Nkore, Mpororo, Karagwe, Rwanda, Burundi, Kazembe, Kikondja, Luba, Khalid, Kuba, Lunda , Chokwe, Kasanje, Matamba, Yaka, Kongo, Kongo dia Nlanza, Tyo, Loango, Ndongo.
Eastern West Africa (Darfur to Lake Chad) : Dar Sila, Akwa, Akpa, Ijaw, Igbo, Igala, Kwararafa, Karem Bornu, Kotoko, Baguirmi, Yao
Middle West Africa, between two wastelands: Edo, Ijebu, Egba, Dahomey, Oyo, Borgu, Ife, Ijesha, Nupe, Gbagyi, Yauri, Zamfara, Songhai, Kebbi, Gobir, Katsina, Daura, Kano, Zazzau, Daura, Kel Gress, Kel Air, Kel Adrar,
Western West Africa (Mountain Wasteland to West Coast): Akwamu, Fante, Aowin, Denkyira, Bono, Dagomba, Gonja, Kong, Gurma, Yatenga, Mali, Kenedugu, Futa Jallon, Jolof, Saloum, Cayor, Walo.
I think that that is all of them, yes I am aware you do have colours for a selection of these already, but i think this list from M+T (ik, it isn't from an encyclopedia, rather a game mod, but i figure that they must have researched it to get these states) shows the variety in Africa that could be added. Hope this helps in anyway, and happy to transcribe any others over that are needed to. Best wishes, and looking forward to 'Beta'/v4 .
. Don't worry Skalligram, it seems to be a lacking by all, so i'll post up a list of the countries that M+T puts in @ 1350s, happy to pass on other details from 1356-1856 from the mod if so wanted also. (yes i know there may be overlap, but best cover all bases
)N.W: Fez, Kel Ahaggar, Mzab, Tlemcen, Touggourt.
N.E: Tunis, Djerid, Kel Ajjer, Fezzan, Mamluks
Ethiopia region: Makuria, Alwa, Shilluk, Medri Bahri, Semien, Funj, Kaffa, Damot, Ethiopia, Dobe'a, Aussa, Shewa, Ifat, Hadiya, Balé, Adal, Dawaro, Warsangali, Marehan, Ajuran, Mogadishu
Coastal East Africa/ Zimbabwe region: Pate, Malindi, Mombasa, Zanzibar, Kilwa, Quelimane, Sofala, Sedanda, Manyika, Mutapa, Butua, Lundu, Tambora, Maravi, Barué, Makua, Quiteve
Malagasy Kingdoms: Mahafaly, Tamatave, Bara, Menabe, Betsileo, Merina, Sihanaka, Boina, Antankarana
Central Africa/Kongo region: Busoga, Buganda, Bunyoro, Tooro, Nkore, Mpororo, Karagwe, Rwanda, Burundi, Kazembe, Kikondja, Luba, Khalid, Kuba, Lunda , Chokwe, Kasanje, Matamba, Yaka, Kongo, Kongo dia Nlanza, Tyo, Loango, Ndongo.
Eastern West Africa (Darfur to Lake Chad) : Dar Sila, Akwa, Akpa, Ijaw, Igbo, Igala, Kwararafa, Karem Bornu, Kotoko, Baguirmi, Yao
Middle West Africa, between two wastelands: Edo, Ijebu, Egba, Dahomey, Oyo, Borgu, Ife, Ijesha, Nupe, Gbagyi, Yauri, Zamfara, Songhai, Kebbi, Gobir, Katsina, Daura, Kano, Zazzau, Daura, Kel Gress, Kel Air, Kel Adrar,
Western West Africa (Mountain Wasteland to West Coast): Akwamu, Fante, Aowin, Denkyira, Bono, Dagomba, Gonja, Kong, Gurma, Yatenga, Mali, Kenedugu, Futa Jallon, Jolof, Saloum, Cayor, Walo.
I think that that is all of them, yes I am aware you do have colours for a selection of these already, but i think this list from M+T (ik, it isn't from an encyclopedia, rather a game mod, but i figure that they must have researched it to get these states) shows the variety in Africa that could be added. Hope this helps in anyway, and happy to transcribe any others over that are needed to
. Best wishes, and looking forward to 'Beta'/v4 .
Skallagrim
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Hello everyone, I'm not dead, nor is this project. As I mentioned to @merkmuds (who shot me a quick PM), though, it's going slow at the moment. I'm planning a major overhaul to use combined colours (for countries that can't possibly co-exist in a non-ASB scenario) in a much more efficient way. That should free up enough colours to add any of the suggestions offered since the last update, and have some colours left over for any unforeseen additions in the future.
Needless to say, that kind of thing will need some time investment. I do work like that in one sitting, so that I can keep a clear overview. Right now, I'm working with a planning document, and when I have a fair stretch of time, I'll do the actual overhaul. Thing is, I tend to be busy. Adding a comment to a discussion here and there can easily be done in between other things, but it's pretty rare for me to have multiple days free in a row-- which I'll need for something like this.
Long story short: that overhaul is coming, but it'll have to happen in its own time. I continue to value suggestions, and I thank anyone interested in all this for their patience.
Needless to say, that kind of thing will need some time investment. I do work like that in one sitting, so that I can keep a clear overview. Right now, I'm working with a planning document, and when I have a fair stretch of time, I'll do the actual overhaul. Thing is, I tend to be busy. Adding a comment to a discussion here and there can easily be done in between other things, but it's pretty rare for me to have multiple days free in a row-- which I'll need for something like this.
Long story short: that overhaul is coming, but it'll have to happen in its own time. I continue to value suggestions, and I thank anyone interested in all this for their patience.
Thanks for the update @Skallagrim ,
excited to see what this new update will bring
perhaps you could make the planning doc public, or otherwise invite based?, then people can chip in ideas and otherwise assist if they need to, if you feel that could work/ speed up the process.
regardless, best of luck to the project,
all the best
from ML8991
excited to see what this new update will bring
perhaps you could make the planning doc public, or otherwise invite based?, then people can chip in ideas and otherwise assist if they need to, if you feel that could work/ speed up the process.
regardless, best of luck to the project,
all the best
from ML8991
