Eleanor, Queen of England, Fourth of Her Name

boy who they needed
I agreed with everything except that bit - England didn't need a male heir. When Edward VI died, there were ONLY women in the line of succession and nobody gave two shits about their gender. (I'll elaborate in the next bit as to WHY Henry would choose to flaunt this male bastard in front of Eleanor. I'm thinking the marriage will start to go through some serious strain...)
 
I agreed with everything except that bit - England didn't need a male heir. When Edward VI died, there were ONLY women in the line of succession and nobody gave two shits about their gender. (I'll elaborate in the next bit as to WHY Henry would choose to flaunt this male bastard in front of Eleanor. I'm thinking the marriage will start to go through some serious strain...)
In Henry VIII’s mind England NEEDED it. Edward VI’s death happened much after that (and as you said at that point the absence of any male claimant changed things a lot). At this point the authority of the Tudors is NOT so well established (and remember who Henry is only the second King of a dynasty founded on conquest), male claimants who could be taken seriously existed (and Henry‘s greatest fear and obsession was seeing his Scottish nephew taking the English crown) and the nobility had not yet be almost fully submitted to Henry’s will
 
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Henry VIII was not against Anglo-Scottish union though as demonstrated by rough wooing
ONLY if a Scottish girl brought Scotland to be submitted to England since the beginning, in a way not much different from a conquest. Else Henry VIII would have married Mary to James V as soon she reached the right age and waited Catherine‘s death for remarrying
 
ONLY if a Scottish girl brought Scotland to be submitted to England since the beginning, in a way not much different from a conquest. Else Henry VIII would have married Mary to James V as soon she reached the right age and waited Catherine‘s death for remarrying
Another TL idea, because he really should have done that...
 
Another TL idea, because he really should have done that...
He and England needed a male heir as the risk of another round of civil wars was pretty high…
What Henry really should have done was NOT marrying Catherine at all, but waiting for Eleanor as was planned…
 
He and England needed a male heir as the risk of another round of civil wars was pretty high…
What Henry really should have done was NOT marrying Catherine at all, but waiting for Eleanor as was planned…
Not really. Marrying Katherine made sense and it wasn't as if she COULDN'T produce male heirs, the child just didn't live that long...
 
Henry Viii broke off his engagement to Eleanor because she was only 11 and didn't want to wait another 5-6 years to have heirs, and he loved Catherine. She was already ready to give birth, but unfortunately she gave birth to only one daughter. If Henry Vii had lived until at least 1513, he would have married his son to Eleanor and she could have come to England that year and Catherine would never have become his wife. Maybe she would go back to Spain and marry someone else (she was only 24 after all).
 
Henry Viii broke off his engagement to Eleanor because she was only 11 and didn't want to wait another 5-6 years to have heirs, and he loved Catherine. She was already ready to give birth, but unfortunately she gave birth to only one daughter. If Henry Vii had lived until at least 1513, he would have married his son to Eleanor and she could have come to England that year and Catherine would never have become his wife. Maybe she would go back to Spain and marry someone else (she was only 24 after all).
You don’t even have to make Henry VII live until 1513 to have Henry marry Eleanor of Austria. Katherine’s stuff was being removed in preparation of her departure when Henry VII died, and she had written to her father expressing her desire to return to Spain and join a convent a month before Henry VII kicked the bucket. Really, all you would have to do is keep Henry VII alive until the end of 1509 or 1510, and Katherine would be back in Spain and joining a convent. Then, Henry VIII would either wait the next year or two for Eleanor to get older, or he’d pursue a different alliance and marry somebody else.

That said, I definitely agree with isabella that Henry marrying Katherine instead of Eleanor was a mistake, at least in the long run. But the reasons that he married her instead seems to have made sense for them at the time.
 
You don’t even have to make Henry VII live until 1513 to have Henry marry Eleanor of Austria. Katherine’s stuff was being removed in preparation of her departure when Henry VII died, and she had written to her father expressing her desire to return to Spain and join a convent a month before Henry VII kicked the bucket. Really, all you would have to do is keep Henry VII alive until the end of 1509 or 1510, and Katherine would be back in Spain and joining a convent. Then, Henry VIII would either wait the next year or two for Eleanor to get older, or he’d pursue a different alliance and marry somebody else.

That said, I definitely agree with isabella that Henry marrying Katherine instead of Eleanor was a mistake, at least in the long run. But the reasons that he married her instead seems to have made sense for them at the time.
In some alternative posts I read about Henry viii marrying Marguerite of Angoulême. Even when Henry died in April 1509, she would be exactly 17 years old and ready to give birth. It could secure peace with France
 
Henry Viii broke off his engagement to Eleanor because she was only 11 and didn't want to wait another 5-6 years to have heirs, and he loved Catherine. She was already ready to give birth, but unfortunately she gave birth to only one daughter. If Henry Vii had lived until at least 1513, he would have married his son to Eleanor and she could have come to England that year and Catherine would never have become his wife. Maybe she would go back to Spain and marry someone else (she was only 24 after all).
OP, ITTL Henry VIII married Katherine who died giving birth to Mary. THEN he married Eleanor, who was by then old enough for childbirth
 
The Queen and the Mistress
Eleanor was horrified at the way Bessie Blount seemed to have all but taken over court as queen, while she was pregnant with Henry's child and in confinement. Apparently, confinement was only for the queen - if her ladies-in-waiting were correct, the lady Blount was also pregnant. Was this how her aunt had felt? Two sons had not been enough to secure Henry's heart and stop his wandering eyes. Of course, Henry could have had a hundred sons in the time it took for Eleanor to produce just one. Such was the way of men and women.

Little Jasper Fitzroy had, despite Eleanor's best attempts, secured a place at court - even if he was barred from the royal nursery with his trueborn brothers. Henry had proudly exhibited the boy to the court, boasting of his virility, and had him transferred around London. She had even heard rumors that her sons were to share tutors with this bastard. The living proof of Henry's indiscretion! And he was supposedly getting at least an earldom, at least if the smugness in Blount's letters were to be accurate!

On the bright side at least she had some loyal ladies: Jane Seymour was mother to her own little Eleanor, and the child was a sweet and adorable girl who would likely grow to be a great beauty. Mary and Anne Boleyn sniped at each other but worked well together, although both seemed to despise their sister-in-law, much to the confusion of everyone as Jane was an inoffensive woman who didn't speak often enough to garner much notice. Eleanor personally preferred Anne, though tried not to show it: Anne was the perfect courtier, stylish and quick-witted, skilled at courtly love - and if rumors were correct, likely the next Countess of Northumberland.

But if she had to see Bessie Blount holding her son one more time...
 
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