Ein Kommunist Schweiz - A Communist Switzerland

PART I: 1900 to the end of the Great War

"In July 1900, Lenin left Russia for Western Europe; in Switzerland he met other Russian Marxists..." - Wikipedia

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin soon joined Social Democratic Party of Switzerland. He rose to the top and on August 23, 1902, he started the Swiss Revolution in Bern. It lasted a little over a year. On December 3, 1903, the Swiss Socialist Republic or the SSR was founded. Lenin became the first Premier of the SSR.

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The first flag of the SSR
(1903-19), known as "the revolutionary flag."


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The SSR had to rebuild it's economy and infrastructure after the revolution. This only took about 8 years.
In 1914, the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand of Austria took place. This was the match that started the fire known as the Great War. Austria declared war on Serbia. On August 6, 1914, Austria-Hungary declared war on the SSR. The first battle on the Swiss front was the Battle of St. Gallen, a Swiss victory. Germany declared war on the SSR on August 9. The Germans took Zürich on February 25, 1915. The Battle of Bern was a major Swiss victory. The Swiss were outnumbered at first, but after a week they were winning the battle. Italy joined which helped the SSR out.


After the war the SSR didn't get any new land. Germany paid the SSR at least US$3 billion.

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The second flag of the SSR (1919-present day).

The Russian Revolution



Gif of the Russian Revolution, not showing Western front.

The Democratic side led by Alexander Kerensky had crushed the Imperial Government by the end of World War 1. Kerensky had asked the US government for help in 1916. President Wilson agreed to help and sent troops into Siberia. The US Territory of Kamchatka was formed after the revolution. Trotsky was a minor player who led the Communists. He was killed in 1918. The United States of Russia looked up to the US. The new Russian political system looked just like the American political system. The USR and USA formed an alliance in 1922.

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so,with a POD in 1900,by 1903 a russian led communist revolution swiftly takes over switzerland,massivly and succesfully redesign their economy and do not get bothered by any other state. then,after austria starts a war against serbia,it suddenly declares war against switzerland. germany joins this fight,and despite the only ally of switzerland seems to be italy,they loose so hard they pay reparations.

i think this might be the wrong forum.
 
after austria starts a war against serbia,it suddenly declares war against switzerland. germany joins this fight,and despite the only ally of switzerland seems to be italy,they loose so hard they pay reparations.
This is part of World War 1, so it's not just Italy and Switzerland. The UK, France, Russia, etc.
 
This is part of World War 1, so it's not just Italy and Switzerland. The UK, France, Russia, etc.

this was not very obvious from your post.
also,in addition to my other points,now britain of all people marches with a communist nation?in WWI?
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
A Swiss Revolution would without doubt butterfly away the First World War as we know it. France, Germany, Austria, Italy, all and more will be rather anxious about their finances being controlled by Communists and would likely intervene way before 1914. There is also no rhyme or reason Italy would help Switzerland, or why Switzerland would just take such a grotesquely large amount instead of Swiss territorial desires.

I think you might be in the wrong sub-forum.
 
i a war that magicaly still takes place after a decade of massive butterflies. and this utterly hated ally of conviniance(why does austria invade them just as they started a war with half the world?) still gets 10% of OTLs german reparations.
and thats not even talking about the russian events
 
A Swiss Revolution would without doubt butterfly away the First World War as we know it. France, Germany, Austria, Italy, all and more will be rather anxious about their finances being controlled by Communists and would likely intervene way before 1914.
I probably should have mentioned that after the revolution, talks were held and most of the money was transferred to London for awhile.
a war that magicaly still takes place after a decade of massive butterflies. and this utterly hated ally of conviniance(why does austria invade them just as they started a war with half the world?) still gets 10% of OTLs german reparations.
and thats not even talking about the russian events
The assassination still takes place and only one thing has changed in the 12 years leading up to World War 1. A Communist Switzerland wouldn't do anything big.
 
The assassination still takes place and only one thing has changed in the 12 years leading up to World War 1. A Communist Switzerland wouldn't do anything big.

a central european nation going suddenly communist is literally the biggest thing save world war.
and not only one thing changed. thousands of things changed,with massive military involvement/invasions by germany,france,austria and italy only being the most noteworthy.
you should read up the term butterfly.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
I probably should have mentioned that after the revolution, talks were held and most of the money was transferred to London for awhile.
Why would CommuSwiss give all that money back? Why would any self respecting European Government recognise CommuSwiss and hold talks with them? Why was literally no one else involved in the Swiss Revolution when said Revolution actively threatens their finances and their vested interests in the nation? Why does Lenin abandon bringing a revolution to Russia? Ignoring the complete unreality of the situation, if Switzerland turned red, and we have little butterflies, why wouldn't the 1905 Revolt in Russia be unsuccessful?
 
Why would CommuSwiss give all that money back? Why would any self respecting European Government recognise CommuSwiss and hold talks with them? Why was literally no one else involved in the Swiss Revolution when said Revolution actively threatens their finances and their vested interests in the nation? Why does Lenin abandon bringing a revolution to Russia? Ignoring the complete unreality of the situation, if Switzerland turned red, and we have little butterflies, why wouldn't the 1905 Revolt in Russia be unsuccessful?
Also, why does Lenin lead the Swiss Revolution? That's like if the French Revolution were led by a bunch of Russians. At best he'd be an advisor.

I'd also point out that Switzerland going Red with no real changes from IOTL goes against what generally happened with regards to Communist revolutions. Almost all large Communist revolutions took place in nations that had large rural populations, were despotic, and were, for lack of a better word, "backwards." Advanced nations like Switzerland basically never saw revolutions (the only exception I can think of is Germany, and that was after they'd been crushed in a massive war and the standard of living had fallen to almost Third World levels).
 
Also, why does Lenin lead the Swiss Revolution? That's like if the French Revolution were led by a bunch of Russians. At best he'd be an advisor.
In general, I agree. Ignoring the likes of Robert Grimm and other Swizz socialists integral to the movement in Switzerland and having Lenin lead the revolution strikes me as lacking in perspective. However, we should also remember the Polish Rosa Luxemburg who became the (reluctant) leader of the Spartacist uprising in Germany and the Argentine Ernesto Guevara who was a core leader of the Cuban revolution. I kind of give a little leeway but overall it does seem silly.

I'd also point out that Switzerland going Red with no real changes from IOTL goes against what generally happened with regards to Communist revolutions. Almost all large Communist revolutions took place in nations that had large rural populations, were despotic, and were, for lack of a better word, "backwards." Advanced nations like Switzerland basically never saw revolutions (the only exception I can think of is Germany, and that was after they'd been crushed in a massive war and the standard of living had fallen to almost Third World levels).
The majority of the Bolshevik support came from the urban working class and soldiers and not rural peasants. Petrograd, where the revolutionaries were the most organised and motivated, had some factories that were bigger and more productive than their western European equivalents. Similarly, the Chinese revolution has its origins in the Shanghai Commune and the urban workers of the cities until Chiang Kai-Shek had them all massacred and the remaining leadership had to flee into the countryside and change their tactics. In Italy the backwards south was the site of reaction whilst the 'advanced' north was the centre of the revolutionary movement.

I don't think Germany should be considered an exception but rather that revolutions succeed when they're well organised and the counter-revolution splinters and is unpopular. However, as you say, this wouldn't happen without changes to the situation in Switzerland.
 
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"Eine kommunistische Schweiz" :biggrin:

"Schweiz" has a femal gender, so you have to adjust the article "ein". "Kommunist" means "communist" (the noun) in German, "communist" (the adjective, like "communistic") is "kommunistisch", female gender: "kommunistische". Also, adjectives aren't capitalized in German, even in titles.

Smartass mode off.

I think the French, Italian and Romansh Swiss will not be amused by such a title, so you could change it in "Confoederatio civitatum socialistarum" (Confederation of the socialist states [cantons]).
 
"Eine kommunistische Schweiz" :biggrin:

"Schweiz" has a femal gender, so you have to adjust the article "ein". "Kommunist" means "communist" (the noun) in German, "communist" (the adjective, like "communistic") is "kommunistisch", female gender: "kommunistische". Also, adjectives aren't capitalized in German, even in titles.

Smartass mode off.

I think the French, Italian and Romansh Swiss will not be amused by such a title, so you could change it in "Confoederatio civitatum socialistarum" (Confederation of the socialist states [cantons]).
It seems, that AH.com-German has a different grammar compared to OTL-German.

Excuse my Google Translate
 
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