Yes, all of this sounds about right.Israel (and pre-state Israel) was incredibly socialist and stayed that way until the 1977 election. Like Minchandre said, the political right in Israel until then was very much so marginalized. Most parties were either communist (Maki), socialist (Mapai, Mapam, and the satellite parties), classical liberal (Progressive, General Zionists), religious (Hapoel HaMizrachi, Agudat Yisrael, Poalei Agudat Yisrael, Mizrachi), or Sephardi or Mizrahi interest groups.
I think that Israel would be able to maintain a strong democracy, though I think that the Sephardi and Mizrahi votes would be courted by the classical liberals since Mapai and Mapam generally ignored them (a type of Ashkenazi chauvinism, really). But there are a lot of leftist or centrist parties who will compete, so there will be some democratic process. I could see an Arab party forming earlier though.
Yes, all of this sounds about right.
However, out of curiosity--why exactly did relations between Israel and the Soviet Union sour so much in spite of Israel being very socialist?
However, out of curiosity--why exactly did relations between Israel and the Soviet Union sour so much in spite of Israel being very socialist?
True, but Stalin died in 1953; why did the Soviet hostility towards Israel and Jews continue after Stalin's death?Stalin was a massive influence on why. There was the exceptionally stringent antisemitism in Communist Party, the Doctor's Plot, the Night of Murdered Poets, etc.
Stalin was a massive influence on why. There was the exceptionally stringent antisemitism in Communist Party, the Doctor's Plot, the Night of Murdered Poets, etc.
True, but Stalin died in 1953; why did the Soviet hostility towards Israel and Jews continue after Stalin's death?
It is rather shocking for the Suez Crisis to initiate a wave of Soviet anti-Semitism that lasted for 35 years, though.Stalin, and the Suez Crisis. And the USSR carry on Tsarists Russia old antisemitism.
It is rather shocking for the Suez Crisis to initiate a wave of Soviet anti-Semitism that lasted for 35 years, though.
Also, Yes, Tsarist Russia was anti-Semitic; however, the Soviet Union was initially somewhat philo-Semitic and had many Jews in its top ranks in its early days.
It is rather shocking for the Suez Crisis to initiate a wave of Soviet anti-Semitism that lasted for 35 years, though.
Also, Yes, Tsarist Russia was anti-Semitic; however, the Soviet Union was initially somewhat philo-Semitic and had many Jews in its top ranks in its early days.
True, but Stalin died in 1953; why did the Soviet hostility towards Israel and Jews continue after Stalin's death?
Were they though? I mean they were dominated by left-leaning parties, but, other than subsidising the kibbutzim, which only encompassed a tiny fraction of Israel's agriculture and population even at their height, and some welfare reforms and trade union rights, wasn't the majority of Israel's economy in the private sector? By that same token Sweden is incredibly socialist because they've been dominated by the Social Democrats for ages, despite the Social Democrats being among the most right-wing leftist parties.Israel (and pre-state Israel) was incredibly socialist and stayed that way until the 1977 election.
Were they though? I mean they were dominated by left-leaning parties, but, other than subsidising the kibbutzim, which only encompassed a tiny fraction of Israel's agriculture and population even at their height, and some welfare reforms and trade union rights, wasn't the majority of Israel's economy in the private sector? By that same token Sweden is incredibly socialist because they've been dominated by the Social Democrats for ages, despite the Social Democrats being among the most right-wing leftist parties.
I can imagine a somewhat much more active cold war in the Middle East. Maybe more civil wars, Soviet and US backed coups, excetera. Maybe Soviet Union forments groups in Kurdistan and supports them against Iraq? US is likely to support : Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen. Soviet Union would be supporting Iran, Israel, a potentially independent Kurdistan with Soviet intervention, maybe independent Druze polity.
Geopolitically, Soviet Union is going to do everything possible to break a chain of pro-US arab states from the Mediterranean to the gulf.
This is pretty possible, remember that Arab states were originally in the US camp until the Arab revolutions in the 1930s-50s, where the upper classes were overthrown and replaced with socialize leaning middle classes that implemented land reform. The Middle East that follows a course were this doesn't happen is much closer with Europe, and would culturally somewhat look like Ataturk's Turkey in terms of secularism and society.
The real question is whether pan-arabism can even emerge in a non-socialist context. Assuming a early 1900s POD, and an arab world that alligns with US continuously, its much more likely that independent nationalism emerge contrasted with Soviet backed attempts to reinvigorate repressed minorities and ethnic groups within those states towards communism.
Were they though? I mean they were dominated by left-leaning parties, but, other than subsidising the kibbutzim, which only encompassed a tiny fraction of Israel's agriculture and population even at their height, and some welfare reforms and trade union rights, wasn't the majority of Israel's economy in the private sector? By that same token Sweden is incredibly socialist because they've been dominated by the Social Democrats for ages, despite the Social Democrats being among the most right-wing leftist parties.