Effects of either no WWII or a short WWII on British India

CaliGuy

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Had World War II either been completely prevented (for instance, by having Hitler get killed back in 1923) or been a short war (for instance, had France had military leadership who was more in touch with modern military doctrine and thus avoided falling in 1940 (or later)), what effects would this have on British India (in terms of politics, et cetera)?

Also, would British India still get partitioned in this TL?
 

Deleted member 1487

Interesting question question. I'd say the title is two separate issues honestly, because it was Britain forcing India into the war against their will that created a ton of issues. The no WW2 TL would be more interesting and less likely to lead to a partition because it isn't happening in a passionate moment of frustration right after a war; independence was coming and if the international situation were less tense it would result in a more stable, like Ireland-like situation where India could stay in one piece rather than end up split up and in conflict.
 

CaliGuy

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Interesting question question. I'd say the title is two separate issues honestly, because it was Britain forcing India into the war against their will that created a ton of issues. The no WW2 TL would be more interesting and less likely to lead to a partition because it isn't happening in a passionate moment of frustration right after a war; independence was coming and if the international situation were less tense it would result in a more stable, like Ireland-like situation where India could stay in one piece rather than end up split up and in conflict.
Yeah, this is two separate questions but I didn't want to create separate threads for this; thus, I just lumped everything together in this thread. :)

Also, would Ireland actually be a good example for this considering that Ireland was actually partitioned in our TL?
 

Deleted member 1487

Yeah, this is two separate questions but I didn't want to create separate threads for this; thus, I just lumped everything together in this thread. :)

Also, would Ireland actually be a good example for this considering that Ireland was actually partitioned in our TL?
I said they wouldn't do the Irish example and without the passions created by the war would be positions to avoid that sort of outcome.
 

CaliGuy

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I said they wouldn't do the Irish example and without the passions created by the war would be positions to avoid that sort of nk outcome.
OK; basically, what you wrote above was a bit confusing to me and thus I'm glad that you clarified this. :)

Also, to clarify:

1. You don't think that Jinnah's fearmongering ("Hindus want to annihilate Islam," et cetera) would have anywhere near the same popularity without WWII, correct?
2. Had WWII occurred but been shorter, you still think that India gets partitioned as in our TL, correct?
 

Deleted member 1487

1. You don't think that Jinnah's fearmongering ("Hindus want to annihilate Islam," et cetera) would have anywhere near the same popularity without WWII, correct?
Yes, more likely not, but who knows

2. Had WWII occurred but been shorter, you still think that India gets partitioned as in our TL, correct?
Not necessarily, but the likelihood increases.
 

Deleted member 1487

OK; understood.

Also, what do you think would have been Palestine's fate in both of these scenarios?
That is a very different question, but I think it would have ended the mandate in a longer decolonization situation and Israel never happens without WW2 or the Nazis getting far enough to cause a mass exodus of Jews from Europe pre and post war.
 

CaliGuy

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That is a very different question, but I think it would have ended the mandate in a longer decolonization situation and Israel never happens without WW2 or the Nazis getting far enough to cause a mass exodus of Jews from Europe pre and post war.
OK.

Also, though, what about with a short WWII (as opposed to no WWII)?
 

Deleted member 1487

OK.

Also, though, what about with a short WWII (as opposed to no WWII)?
Depends on how bad things get for Jews in Europe in that short WW2 and whether they then flood into Palestine post-war.
 

CaliGuy

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Depends on how bad things get for Jews in Europe in that short WW2

Let's say that between 500 K and 1 million of them get killed while the rest of them survive.

and whether they then flood into Palestine post-war.

If they are able to, then Yes; however, this flooding--however much of it will indeed occur--will probably have to be illegal due to British immigration restrictions into Palestine, no?
 

CaliGuy

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Also, question about India--a united India would be harder to effectively govern than a non-united India due to Hindu-Muslim disagreement in regards to various issues, correct?
 
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